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Orrex

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30. Black men are in jail because they're men and they're black

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 03:22 PM

Jul 2013

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The fact that they are male is a contributing factor, but I'm not convinced that it's the primary factor, certainly not in terms of explaining the black/white disparity.

Your 11x versus 6x figures are interesting, but clarification might be helpful:

How much more likely is a white man to go to jail than a white woman?
How much more likely is a white man to go to jail than a black woman?

How much more likely is a black man to go to jail than a white woman?
How much more likely is a black man to go to jail than a black woman?

It is important to identify these ratios before we diminish race as a factor, and the raw multipliers of 11x and 6x don't provide enough info to be truly useful.

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I tried to convince a friend such a thing as "White Privilege" existed [View all] Taverner Jul 2013 OP

"Embedding disabled by request" pops up Lifelong Protester Jul 2013 #1

Follow it... it's worth it Taverner Jul 2013 #2

"White advantage" certainly exists; "non-white disprivilege" is probably a better way to describe it Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2013 #3

OK take a black person and a white person and give them each a Ferrari Taverner Jul 2013 #4

Yes. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2013 #8

Agreed 100%. AverageJoe90 Jul 2013 #5

What they do is use the whites at the lower rung .. ananda Jul 2013 #35

Isn't that creative wordsmithing? Taverner Jul 2013 #9

You're against "creative wordsmithing"? Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2013 #13

I don't know, too many negatives in that word Taverner Jul 2013 #37

I agree "disprivilege" is inelegant, but synonyms don't make the point so clear. Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2013 #40

Or maybe 'white advantage'? Dyedinthewoolliberal Jul 2013 #45

I think the same arguments against apply. Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2013 #48

In conversations on the subject, I've found it helpful... Orrex Jul 2013 #6

Has it benefited you? Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2013 #21

Then it's the benefit of not being disadvantaged in that way Orrex Jul 2013 #29

That's because of white guilt and white fear. apnu Jul 2013 #42

There is a system of white privilege. There is no system of male privilege. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2013 #7

Male privilege is a different beast Taverner Jul 2013 #10

True enough. Trayvon didn't have to worry overmuch about being raped. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2013 #11

I know... Taverner Jul 2013 #12

As an exercise, let's suppose for the moment that maybe the victim did "try to start something" lumberjack_jeff Jul 2013 #15

Yes Taverner Jul 2013 #22

Black men are in jail because they're men and they're black Orrex Jul 2013 #30

11x and 6x are useful if, as we always do, view the privilege continuum as a matrix. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2013 #41

Here's something to ponder... YoungDemCA Jul 2013 #14

Why do I think that is? lumberjack_jeff Jul 2013 #16

Every time you speak on this subject, I am horrified at your ignorance. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #44

I understand both. One exists and the other does not. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2013 #46

No, it's an almost cartoonish like ignorance. Male privilege exists in such vast quantity... Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #47

I'm inclined to disagree on both counts, I'm afraid. Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2013 #19

Two days ago, I was involved in a traffic incident. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2013 #24

that's so true! males are at a complete disadvantage in all areas. CreekDog Jul 2013 #23

Are you joking? The entire system is set up for male privilege. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #43

Wow, in what alternative Universe are you living? NealK Jul 2013 #49

'Why do I have to explain this to every body over and over again?' Rex Jul 2013 #17

I hang with Libertarians sometimes Taverner Jul 2013 #20

Oh lord, yes I have a few libertarian acquaintances. Rex Jul 2013 #25

They are the people Thomas Hobbes was afraid of Taverner Jul 2013 #26

He didn't have much choice really. Rex Jul 2013 #27

True...ahhhh the English Civil War Taverner Jul 2013 #28

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A hispanic man kills a black guy, is acquitted by a jury of six women, Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #32

If there were five black guys at a table with a fair-skinned hispanic man Orrex Jul 2013 #33

I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about White Privlege Taverner Jul 2013 #34

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Can you believe it? LittleBlue Jul 2013 #39

I tend to think that the vast majority of people are aware in fact, of white privilege and male priv LanternWaste Jul 2013 #36