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uponit7771

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15. Clear SYG, it doesn't matter the before or after in an SYG case... JUST what was in the persons mind

Reply to rl6214 (Reply #13)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 04:11 PM

Jul 2013

...at the time the "defense of person" occured.

That's the trap the GZ jury was put in, they were told that sense there's no "duty to retreat" there's also no duty to "avoid conflict" either.

One could CLEARLY make a case that GZ wasn't trying to avoid conflict by following a person he thought was dangerous but the jury couldn't deliberate on that...

ONLY...ONLY what was a "reasonable fear" at the time the person pulled the trigger

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Another Stand YOur Ground in Florida [View all] mfcorey1 Jul 2013 OP

The KKK's new motto: Keep it legal and white Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #1

Actually the SYG hearing is before a judge only. onenote Jul 2013 #2

Even if he loses the SYG hearing CanonRay Jul 2013 #6

+1, OR .. OR SYG will be added to the jury instructions like in the Zimmerman trial. I STILL don't.. uponit7771 Jul 2013 #12

because, as has been explained to you several times onenote Jul 2013 #24

No it hasn't been "explained" many times... and every state does not have horrid evil SYG laws uponit7771 Jul 2013 #26

No one ever said they did onenote Jul 2013 #27

how is this SYG??? it seems like he saw the guy coming towards his house ejpoeta Jul 2013 #3

marissa Niceguy1 Jul 2013 #4

The restraining order was against HIM not her..she went there to collect her babies clothes angstlessk Jul 2013 #8

stll a crime. Niceguy1 Jul 2013 #9

Can you point me to the crime ... I have googled it and found angstlessk Jul 2013 #11

personal.experience Niceguy1 Jul 2013 #20

Once again...link please..there must be a law WRITTEN down? angstlessk Jul 2013 #21

Off to greatest with you! nt raccoon Jul 2013 #5

Second degree murder? BklnDem75 Jul 2013 #7

This is going to become a daily occurence in Florida... Punkingal Jul 2013 #10

That's not stand your ground rl6214 Jul 2013 #13

Clear SYG, it doesn't matter the before or after in an SYG case... JUST what was in the persons mind uponit7771 Jul 2013 #15

still waiting for that non SYG case where it was held that the duty to avoid conflict by retreating onenote Jul 2013 #30

EVEN IF Butler doesn't "claim" syg immunity the judge HAS TO add it to jury instructions JUST like Z uponit7771 Jul 2013 #14

A clever and apropos turn of a phrase. lpbk2713 Jul 2013 #18

+1, Didn't think about that uponit7771 Jul 2013 #19

Well, if he's allowed to argue that he felt threatened, sure he may get away with it. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #16

The majority of Florida SYG cases are whites shooting whites hack89 Jul 2013 #23

Whether these people are found guilty or not, the law is obviously creating problems. renie408 Jul 2013 #17

Criminals can make any claim they want hack89 Jul 2013 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author Initech Jul 2013 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author onenote Jul 2013 #28

This sounds like a hate crime BainsBane Jul 2013 #29