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shawn703

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67. I'll take the secret foreign surveillance, thank you.

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 08:40 AM

Jul 2013

I much prefer the world where we monitored Ibrahim Saeed Ahmed's phone leading to Osama bin Laden no longer being a threat. I'm actually a little surprised that some people here think it's unfair that we found him that way. If you could have convinced him and other members of Al Qaeda to put up signs or something so we can discover their locations with open and legal monitoring, then maybe I'd have a little more sympathy for that position.

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Unveiled! Portrait of American Truth Teller Edward Snowden [View all] Octafish Jul 2013 OP

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Americans Who Tell the Truth Octafish Jul 2013 #11

Will Pitt's portrait is there! pacalo Jul 2013 #13

Deservedly so. Octafish Jul 2013 #16

Thanks. WilliamPitt Jul 2013 #19

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Emma Goldman... ReRe Jul 2013 #20

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Your last sentence is awesome! Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #78

Why, thank you. THOSE were MY words. ReRe Jul 2013 #107

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Pretty much says it. . . .n/t annabanana Jul 2013 #4

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ut oh. Think I hear some some heads exploding. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #5

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Geezus. bunnies Jul 2013 #79

That's exactly the reaction I was going for. baldguy Jul 2013 #111

blech. let the sainthood begin. Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #8

Here's what's been happening while people were being nice to government and the corporations. Octafish Jul 2013 #33

Have you heard the news out of Panama? hootinholler Jul 2013 #40

First thought was he probably skippered the North Korean freighter. Octafish Jul 2013 #45

No True Scotsman would allow such a thing on his watch hootinholler Jul 2013 #47

How unpatriotic can you get FFS. We're supposed to trust our government like good citizens. L0oniX Jul 2013 #96

Snowden seems somewhat sketchy... MinM Jul 2013 #99

When can we start carving his face into Mt Rushmore? Major Nikon Jul 2013 #123

Great job! I want a poster n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #9

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Ew. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #10

If you don't like truth tellers, you may enjoy one from a friend of ENRON. Octafish Jul 2013 #34

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I am guessing you daily bow down and worship the Republicans that run the intelligence agencies. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #43

issues,. . you got. Civilization2 Jul 2013 #49

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Here's what's really sickening. Octafish Jul 2013 #36

You'll get no argument from me, there. railsback Jul 2013 #39

Where's Bo's portrait? L0oniX Jul 2013 #97

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #21

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Wow! Great company, too! Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #23

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I'm glad I know about that site now. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #29

Thanks! Good Stuff! KoKo Jul 2013 #24

Quoting Snowden. ProSense Jul 2013 #31

What a strange post. ronnie624 Jul 2013 #81

YAwn L0oniX Jul 2013 #88

Glenn Greenwald being interviewed on Democracy now: NealK Jul 2013 #106

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Something is off, the face shape I think flamingdem Jul 2013 #37

oh my. As time reveals, I think the artist will be taking Whisp Jul 2013 #38

Proud K & R ~nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #44

He's in good company. A lot of troublemakers there. We need more like them. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #46

And the glorification of a criminal continues shawn703 Jul 2013 #48

is it not criminal to spy on people with no warrant? Civilization2 Jul 2013 #50

Did you read what I wrote carefully? shawn703 Jul 2013 #53

How about being open and honest, no secrecy, all tax payed for intelligence being public knowledge? Civilization2 Jul 2013 #54

Why should details about foreign surveillance be public knowledge? shawn703 Jul 2013 #57

There should be no secrete foreign surveillance,. just open and legal monitoring, if needed. Civilization2 Jul 2013 #66

I'll take the secret foreign surveillance, thank you. shawn703 Jul 2013 #67

Osama Bin Laden was a CIA operative, a spook for the USofA's MilitaryIndustrialCongressionalComplex Civilization2 Jul 2013 #70

Ask the victims of 9/11 if getting Bin Laden was a win or not shawn703 Jul 2013 #72

If you believe 2 planes brought down 3 skyscrapers, then perhaps ZeroDarkWhatever helps you sleep,. Civilization2 Jul 2013 #75

Thinking people are the ones with the tinfoil hats? shawn703 Jul 2013 #76

I see you have nothing to offer in rebuttal but lame slurs. Civilization2 Jul 2013 #77

Ending the secret spook agencies that made all that happen is a better one. MelungeonWoman Jul 2013 #80

Years ago, the defining factor in an incident used to be motive. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #51

We don't owe other countries the truth shawn703 Jul 2013 #56

Sad, truly sad that you misunderstand the world so completely. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #61

We will have to disagree on that point shawn703 Jul 2013 #65

Whistleblowing does not equate to war crimes. morningfog Jul 2013 #68

Crime is crime, no? shawn703 Jul 2013 #73

All crimes are not equal. morningfog Jul 2013 #82

The ultimate penalty is death shawn703 Jul 2013 #86

Would that include slaves and draft resistors who fled to Canada to avoid trial? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #104

Sorry, I don't equate what Snowden did to the plight of the slaves shawn703 Jul 2013 #109

Crime is crime. Right? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #110

When is the last time someone was charged being a draft resistor or runaway slave? shawn703 Jul 2013 #112

Should the slaves and draft resistors have come back like "real heroes"? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #115

I would argue that it was people shawn703 Jul 2013 #116

"A Letter to Edward Snowden" mc51tc Jul 2013 #55

Kicking a great post. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #58

Thank you Octafish malokvale77 Jul 2013 #59

Excellent, what a great thing he is doing, keeping a record of those who have the courage sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #60

Right, there's no hero worship here. pnwmom Jul 2013 #62

IT'S NOT ABOUT SNOWDEN"S PORTRAIT!!!111 DemocratsForProgress Jul 2013 #63

LOL. It chaps you, eh? morningfog Jul 2013 #69

It is this message, on the portrait, that really chaps the propagandists: Zorra Jul 2013 #94

Well your in the "Barack Obama" forum. Is there a Snowden forum? Epic Irony. L0oniX Jul 2013 #89

No one elected Snowden to any office. It is sad that on a supposedly pnwmom Jul 2013 #90

He can't run for a third term ...as much as the fans would like that. L0oniX Jul 2013 #91

So? He was elected, while Snowden is the self-appointed Leaker-in-Chief. nt pnwmom Jul 2013 #92

O gee I really feel like Obama cares about my rights to privacy too. L0oniX Jul 2013 #93

Kicked and Recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2013 #64

very cool, art for the times nt markiv Jul 2013 #71

Maybe there's Hope and Change after all markiv Jul 2013 #74

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Hey Octafish... Did You Catch This: WillyT Jul 2013 #84

excellent artwork BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #85

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