General Discussion

zencycler

(9 posts)

70. Alternate scenarios, if both considered possible, reasonable doubt still exists.

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 12:27 AM

Jul 2013

While it would have helped greatly if the prosecution put forth this, or ANY, alternate theory of what happened that night, then in addition to showing how the evidence matched their version of events, they'd have to show how some of the factors you've mentioned disprove Zimmerman's version.

In some cases, like the pulled drawstring, the factors you've mentioned might have equally occurred either under your theory or at any point during the type of event Zimmerman described. However, Rachel's testimony about Trayvon saying "get off, get off" doesn't seen to fit with Zimmerman's version of events.

So in addition to not presenting an alternate theory, this is where the prosecution fell short. They didn't do a better job of prepping Rachel to be more credible to that jury, and they didn't more effectively use or emphasize her statements of TM saying "get off" to disprove Zimmerman's version of events.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

83 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Zimmerman was holding Trayvon by the hoodie when Z fell backwards, pulling TM down with him [View all] Duer 157099 Jul 2013 OP

Makes more sense to me than the version the jury heard from the defense. AndyA Jul 2013 #1

When I saw GZs injuries janlyn Jul 2013 #2

Except here GZ hit his head on a lawn sprinkler! hedgehog Jul 2013 #20

Yes. Fights with my sisters. I remember them. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #48

Almost exactly what I believe to have happened. ileus Jul 2013 #3

Very plausible. mzmolly Jul 2013 #4

This is how I have seen this and It makes even more sense now chowder66 Jul 2013 #5

if I'm following you.... grasswire Jul 2013 #6

The hoodie was away from Trayvon's skin when the shot was fired, so his blood Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #9

I wondered about that too mbuch64 Jul 2013 #47

That's always been my opinion. Zimmerman had his gun out. Grabbed DevonRex Jul 2013 #7

Makes sense to me malaise Jul 2013 #8

I'm Sorry He Will Have Another Chapter SoCalMusicLover Jul 2013 #32

And why didn't the prosecution offer up this scenario? Or any scenario? Maraya1969 Jul 2013 #10

Not one fucking clue Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #11

Because they didn't really care about winning the case. MH1 Jul 2013 #15

Yup. That was my impression too. Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #71

Exactly, a show trial to placate the masses... arthritisR_US Jul 2013 #83

The legal analysts on TV alsame Jul 2013 #17

Because it's not supported by the evidence. pintobean Jul 2013 #19

And the defense's argument was? Maraya1969 Jul 2013 #30

Let's talk about the evidence Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #34

THIS.^^^^ calimary Jul 2013 #36

The prosecutor secondvariety Jul 2013 #25

no one wanted to try the case Skittles Jul 2013 #37

Because the billh58 Jul 2013 #57

You may wish to check statistics on FL SYG. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #76

Prosecution has to PROVE what happened. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #74

but the shot was straight 'from a midrange' distance. this doesn't seem to jibe with scenarios that HiPointDem Jul 2013 #12

But that piece of info does not fit with the "official" story Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #13

i wonder if there was some kind of skuffle that got them on the ground, martin got up & z shot HiPointDem Jul 2013 #21

Also he had Martin held at gun point because that is when Martin was screaming. I can just imagine Maraya1969 Jul 2013 #23

This is my belief also. And those MMA motions alsame Jul 2013 #14

Exactly n/t Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #16

I didn't understand Good's using the term "MMA style" MH1 Jul 2013 #18

I had never even heard the term MMA alsame Jul 2013 #22

MMA is a mixture or martial arts styles, and very big on ground grappling. dionysus Jul 2013 #73

Mixed martial Arts! BobbyBoring Jul 2013 #39

Here and I thought they were saying Zimmerman was a "Major, Major Asshole". Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #52

John Good sounded very much like an asshole who watches too much teevee alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #55

VERY likely scenario Gman Jul 2013 #24

Certainly makes more sense than Zimmermans embelished story. lumpy Jul 2013 #38

Wouldn't it be the ballistic expert's burden to assert and prove that the hoodie was being grabbed? dkf Jul 2013 #26

just heaven05 Jul 2013 #27

Makes more sense than Z's story. nt MaeScott Jul 2013 #28

The Truth SoCalMusicLover Jul 2013 #29

I'd say this is a logical explanation of what happened, I especially agree that the murder weapon... DrewFlorida Jul 2013 #31

Makes complete sense to me. Trayvon fought because Zimmy grabbed him. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #33

I believe that is EXACTLY the way it all happened. nt Raine Jul 2013 #35

Convincing. zentrum Jul 2013 #40

Might as well put it out there chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #41

I thought something like this happened all along... Sancho Jul 2013 #42

Best I've heard yet! BobbyBoring Jul 2013 #43

The only part I don't agree with LittleGirl Jul 2013 #44

Z being left handed even makes this scenario more plausible Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #46

He practiced with both hands. Read this: alsame Jul 2013 #49

your shoting dominat hand is not always your writing hand ceonupe Jul 2013 #54

Try to buy a left-handed gun. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #77

That is one hell of a theory Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #45

Even if he hadn't murdered Trayvon tblue Jul 2013 #50

If an assailant sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #51

And remember what an out of shape tblue Jul 2013 #53

Never bought the gym owners conclusion that Zimmerman was a helpless marshmallow. lumpy Jul 2013 #62

Now he's Superman! tblue Jul 2013 #81

Plausible. moondust Jul 2013 #56

It sounds like it could have gone down that way jimboss Jul 2013 #58

Were Zimmerman's fingerprints found in Trayvon's hoodie? Joe Hyperion Jul 2013 #59

A fingerprint on a sweatshirt? Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #61

It is possible to recover fingerprints and DNA from fabric. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #66

You don't really think the Sanford PD went through all that trouble do you? Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #67

You implied that it wasn't possible. I'm telling you that it is. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #69

why don't you think the prosecution argued this theory or one like it? Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #60

Resulting in blood from Z's nose, no DNA on Trayvon and no blood on SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #63

I see now that you linked to the thread ; ) I love when DUers form such SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #64

Ah, I should have given you a hattip as well for starting that thread Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #65

Not needed, I love the path the investigative thinking took! SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #68

Alternate scenarios, if both considered possible, reasonable doubt still exists. zencycler Jul 2013 #70

Wonder if the 7-11 video shows where Trayvon's draw-strings are at. dmr Jul 2013 #72

I looked but the resolution was just too low Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #80

Thats irrelevent Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #82

I am 100% convinced Zimmerman got out of the car specifically to detain Trayvon. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #75

And the racist Florida billh58 Jul 2013 #78

Good OP! Spazito Jul 2013 #79