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101. You said you don't know if it was self defense.

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:25 AM

Jul 2013

That means YOU THINK THE KID MIGHT HAVE BEEN ACTUALLY TRYING TO KILL HIM!

You believe this is a possibility. Let me try to disabuse you of that idea.

I have been in a few fights, but only once where I knew the guy was trying to kill me.

I told everybody I saw for the next few days, especially the cops:

"That guy was trying to kill me!"

"Yeah, but you don't understand, he was REALLY trying to kill me!"

"You just don't get it, he was trying to actually kill me."

I don't see that reaction at all in this case. Not even close. To know that someone is trying to kill you is not a common event. It has a real effect on people. Your injuries or pain are completely secondary, not at all important to you. What you remember very clearly is that moment when you first realize that someone is actually trying to kill you. You just can't stop talking about that moment.

Zimmerman absolutely knows this kid never, ever, was going to cause him any real harm. Or he's such a psycho that he doesn't know. In either event he murdered that Martin boy.

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Re: Martin/Zimmerman - why was / is there an effort to paint a picture that wasn't / isn't real? [View all] Skip Intro Jul 2013 OP

Zimmerman still murdered a kid. Can't change that. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #1

But the SYG apologists billh58 Jul 2013 #3

And they are trying. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #5

Killed, he was found not guilty of murder rl6214 Jul 2013 #103

He still murdered him. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #131

+100 billh58 Jul 2013 #140

Thats right! hrmjustin Jul 2013 #141

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #174

Your hero Zimmerman billh58 Jul 2013 #175

why did Zimmerman follow Trayvon in the first place JI7 Jul 2013 #2

bullshit, he didn't say 'fucking cold,' it doesn't even make sense in the context. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #4

CNN made a retraction or "correction." n/t Skip Intro Jul 2013 #10

"This time we're not lying! I swear!" Atman Jul 2013 #46

your other claim, about the photo, is also false. see here: HiPointDem Jul 2013 #87

Link for "c**n" retraction: Skip Intro Jul 2013 #88

i want a link to the *cnn* retraction, not a link to some website saying it happened. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #89

Ok. Skip Intro Jul 2013 #94

thank you for going to the trouble. it still sounds like 'fucking coons' to me, and the situation HiPointDem Jul 2013 #100

It was a cold and rainy night. Jenoch Jul 2013 #154

If it was so effin COLD, why didn't he get in his truck & let the cops do their job ... Myrina Jul 2013 #158

I agree, he never should have left his vehicle, Jenoch Jul 2013 #165

But it's no big deal. I mean Zimmerman is fine. yardwork Jul 2013 #169

What's no big deal? Jenoch Jul 2013 #170

The whole thing, for George. No serious consequences. yardwork Jul 2013 #171

I think it is a big deal for Zimmerman. Jenoch Jul 2013 #173

He isn't in hiding. He was out rescuing motorists the other day. yardwork Jul 2013 #193

Godwin's Law rears it's ugly head. Jenoch Jul 2013 #196

Nonsense. I didn't compare anybody to Hitler. yardwork Jul 2013 #238

It read to that you Jenoch Jul 2013 #239

No, I didn't say any of that. yardwork Jul 2013 #251

You mentioned Nazis and South America. Jenoch Jul 2013 #252

I am putting you on ignore. It appears to be impossible to talk with you. yardwork Jul 2013 #253

I was just explaining why I responded the way I did. Jenoch Jul 2013 #254

or...perhaps 'fucking punks'? well, so much for the 'cleaned up' audioS... HiPointDem Jul 2013 #159

I'm wondering about the punks thing too. Jenoch Jul 2013 #164

no. just two different 'experts' 'cleaning up.' strangely enough, the 'cleaning' comes out HiPointDem Jul 2013 #166

Your link makes me so sad. IdaBriggs Jul 2013 #162

When it comes to the media Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #6

Foxnews is good at that. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #11

They all are Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #14

But you have to admit fox is the most sleaziest and lied the most about this case. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #17

I really never watched it, so I can't say n/t Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #18

Well you are doing yourself a favor. It turned my stomach everytime I watched. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #21

Honestly, I don't watch any TV news Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #42

Just truckloads of foundation $$$ from Gates and Walmart. n/t Smarmie Doofus Jul 2013 #22

Actually, they do worry about Jenoch Jul 2013 #155

WTF? He said "f*ing cold"? I thought they finally agreed it was "fucking punks"? You're not taking uppityperson Jul 2013 #7

They took back the "fucking c**n" claim. Skip Intro Jul 2013 #20

"c**n" and "goon" are closer than "cold". Are you saying that is one thing the media manipulated to uppityperson Jul 2013 #26

Well, yes, it could be. Skip Intro Jul 2013 #33

John Fugelsand posted the audio and I listened to it. Marie Marie Jul 2013 #50

Usually the racist like to portray TM in the worse possible way and Z in the best regardless of the uponit7771 Jul 2013 #8

perhaps...still Epiphany4z Jul 2013 #9

Zimmy was 28, not "over 30" uppityperson Jul 2013 #27

I didn't know Z is over 30?? OhShitNotAgain Jul 2013 #135

CNN got it wrong, he didn't say "fucking cold"... Spazito Jul 2013 #12

These are valid questions but don't expect an answer joeglow3 Jul 2013 #13

| "I'm not taking a side" | Right, give me a friggin' break quinnox Jul 2013 #15

The Gungeoneers are billh58 Jul 2013 #176

They do it for Zimmy just like they did for *bush. FarPoint Jul 2013 #16

Hi Skip. pintobean Jul 2013 #19

A child is dead...he wasn't breaking any laws. Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #23

The OP is about the media and shit reporting. pintobean Jul 2013 #32

Shit reporting like changing what was clearly "fucking coons" MattBaggins Jul 2013 #35

I swear the early tapes sure sounded like c word. Doesn't matter, Z is a bigot with a gun. Hoyt Jul 2013 #79

Still waiting for you to prove the bigot part rl6214 Jul 2013 #104

All the bigots supporting him are proof enough. But fact he took off after Trayvon is enough Hoyt Jul 2013 #106

And waiting rl6214 Jul 2013 #108

yep libodem Jul 2013 #111

what's telling to me is that various experts turn the sound into such a variety of sounds, none HiPointDem Jul 2013 #167

I don't think that's a safe assumption at all. Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2013 #232

Hey Skip Intro Jul 2013 #25

Im starting to believe that name calling is how DU does discuss things.. OhShitNotAgain Jul 2013 #137

You just got here and thats what you think? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #138

so because I just signed up it means what I haven't been here reading discussions for a couple years? OhShitNotAgain Jul 2013 #143

This is a discussion board and people get into it my friend. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #144

I'm not getting into this discussion... OhShitNotAgain Jul 2013 #145

Oh ok well I hope you have fun on this board. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #146

Strange isn't billh58 Jul 2013 #177

Mirt got rid of a whole bunch today. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #178

Yep, MIRT is billh58 Jul 2013 #179

They are attracted to us. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #180

LOL! billh58 Jul 2013 #181

The come from the cave a lot of the time. They love to boast about how they have moles here. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #182

Right-Wingers billh58 Jul 2013 #184

I think I angered a few of them yesterday and today because I did not believe Zimmerman saved that hrmjustin Jul 2013 #185

I was just called billh58 Jul 2013 #186

Did you alert? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #187

No, I just responded. billh58 Jul 2013 #188

My God some people just say dumb things. I got called McCarthy today because I asked a new poster hrmjustin Jul 2013 #189

I saw that. billh58 Jul 2013 #190

I see you friends post was hidden. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #191

Thanks. n/t billh58 Jul 2013 #192

He must really have billh58 Jul 2013 #240

Next time they send you pms like that alert on them. There is an alert function on mail. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #244

Thanks for billh58 Jul 2013 #246

I have never gotten hate mail here but if I did i would alert in a second. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #247

I agree. billh58 Jul 2013 #248

I don't normally get into it with them but I have in the past 2 weeks. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #249

Well, you got your answer, didn't you? oldhippie Jul 2013 #151

because you like disruption CreekDog Jul 2013 #222

Skip a question for you. Who do you sympathize with more GZ or TM? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #24

Is water wet? Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #28

Thanks for asking. My answer is, why do you ask that question? Skip Intro Jul 2013 #29

Ok fine lets talk about foxnews coverage and how biased it was. Do you agree it was biased? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #31

Didn't watch it. You saying OP examples are real, but ok? Skip Intro Jul 2013 #39

Well if Zimmerman sues he can get money so the Martin family can sue him for all he has. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #41

The question isn't whether he can or should sue. It's a bigger question than that. Skip Intro Jul 2013 #47

The media have been manipulating things since before you or I were born. This is nothing new. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #53

I'm talking about the media. This thread is about the media. Skip Intro Jul 2013 #61

Yes manipulation is wrong and he can sue. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #63

The media has always reported untrue and biased things, but it didn't used to do that 24/7. Nay Jul 2013 #148

A 17 year old kid is dead and your worried about George. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #49

Getting personal again? Skip Intro Jul 2013 #54

I am not attacking you but your position. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #58

My position? What position? Seriously, what position? Skip Intro Jul 2013 #62

You seem to worry about Zimmerman and his image in the media. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #65

Not about Z, about entities we trust to be honest lying to Skip Intro Jul 2013 #66

The media has an agenda. This is nothing new. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #68

He seems very concerned about who we have sympathy for... Pelican Jul 2013 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin Jul 2013 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author Pelican Jul 2013 #84

Bullshit, Zimmerman said "c**ns", audio analysis AZ Progressive Jul 2013 #30

Sounds like punks to me...hmmm.. Nt jmg257 Jul 2013 #36

"CNN later retracted its statement" Skip Intro Jul 2013 #43

I'm Hispanic, I'm darker Tien1985 Jul 2013 #34

i think he looks hispanic but anyone can be racist, he is racist against other hispanics also JI7 Jul 2013 #44

he would ignore me, a middle aged white gal Skittles Jul 2013 #64

At least you are aware of it! tnlefty Jul 2013 #57

I have three sons, who have all been 17 and larger than Trayvon at 17, and I did explain to one of tnlefty Jul 2013 #37

There is only two people that know what really happened that night notadmblnd Jul 2013 #38

I wish they had not used that 14 year old photo treestar Jul 2013 #40

It was a rainy February evening the night that Trayvon was killed. I doubt it was "hot weather." yardwork Jul 2013 #71

right wing lie #3455 treestar Jul 2013 #73

The internet is full of lies... That is an understatement. OhShitNotAgain Jul 2013 #150

I wish defense didn't use photo to prejudice the prejudiced jury. Hoyt Jul 2013 #83

Now it was a prejudiced jury rl6214 Jul 2013 #105

Clearly B37 was a bigot, fool, and had carried a gun in past. Hoyt Jul 2013 #107

But no one has commented on the other five jurors rl6214 Jul 2013 #109

They were worse, and are ashamed of their vote, or know they should be. Hoyt Jul 2013 #110

Of course they were, but YOU know better rl6214 Jul 2013 #112

you got what you wanted Skittles Jul 2013 #45

That's a damn good question I would pose Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #48

a paranoid gun humper, a PROVEN threat to society, is free to walk the streets - armed Skittles Jul 2013 #51

I believe it is a concerted effort Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #56

You wild rebel... Pelican Jul 2013 #82

Nope, just a Democrat Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #122

They want us to love him, too, and "admit" that the dead black boy is actually the "thug" alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #59

yes, that is exactly right Skittles Jul 2013 #60

I've had run ins with a few members of the DU Zimmerman Fan Club AndyA Jul 2013 #152

They love a dead black body alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #55

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #52

What are you talking about? Skip Intro Jul 2013 #67

oh that's right, you're "not taking sides" Skittles Jul 2013 #70

Ok, whatever. n/t Skip Intro Jul 2013 #72

Yep, none of the billh58 Jul 2013 #124

LOL Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #76

People like kicking around a dead kid's body? Rex Jul 2013 #92

Actually, you're wrong. Your facts are wrong. yardwork Jul 2013 #69

The head smashing thing is the biggest red flag. Incitatus Jul 2013 #74

And in all of the pictures of his "terrible head wounds"... Bettie Jul 2013 #161

The story has been crafted to get maximum outrage for the buck... Pelican Jul 2013 #75

The media loves to take advantage of stories like this. Just look how fox covered this story. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #77

yes, the gun humpers just cannot help piling it on Skittles Jul 2013 #93

I think we can all agree that it was initially pushed... Pelican Jul 2013 #95

thinking people can all agree Skittles Jul 2013 #97

K... Pelican Jul 2013 #99

You know, mzteris Jul 2013 #80

A unarmed teenager was walking home Peaceplace80 Jul 2013 #85

The picture was NOT of TM as a 14 yeae old. It was taken just a few months before he was killed lunamagica Jul 2013 #86

How does the Martin kid suddenly turn into a homicidal maniac? reusrename Jul 2013 #90

Who said that? Skip Intro Jul 2013 #96

You said you don't know if it was self defense. reusrename Jul 2013 #101

Well as long as you are not disappointed in DUers Rex Jul 2013 #91

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #98

Branded with reason. If Teabaggers believe the same as you, it's highly likely. Hoyt Jul 2013 #113

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #114

Apparently, even though facts are clear, you don't want to accept georgie is a bigot and gun Hoyt Jul 2013 #115

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #117

How in the billh58 Jul 2013 #142

oh gawd, yet another one Skittles Jul 2013 #118

Nah, I'd give odds it's just galileoreloaded gracing us with their presence again. Electric Monk Jul 2013 #119

racist gun humpers really toe the NRA line, don't they Skittles Jul 2013 #120

I believe you are the one attempting to "paint a picture that isnt real" quakerboy Jul 2013 #102

Hispanics were considered white from time to time by the U.S. Census AZ Progressive Jul 2013 #116

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #127

Not anymore. 840high Jul 2013 #129

That story is so last week. Inkfreak Jul 2013 #121

Wow, it is so nice to see someone admit that they don't know Vattel Jul 2013 #123

I listened to the recording many times madville Jul 2013 #125

125 responses ...... oldhippie Jul 2013 #126

the OP brings up a very good point Niceguy1 Jul 2013 #130

Huh DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #133

So typical ....... oldhippie Jul 2013 #134

What facts that I posited are in dispute?/nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #136

You didn't post any facts .... oldhippie Jul 2013 #149

The police dispatcher asked Zimmerman not to follow Trayvon. He ignored him. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #153

You're not going to get it ..... oldhippie Jul 2013 #157

You seem mad, bro. I hope I didn't upset you/nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #160

Why would Zimmerman care what the dispatcher said? McPops Jul 2013 #197

How did Trayvon make a mistake? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #198

I don't know if he made a mistake in judgment McPops Jul 2013 #201

He walked home with a bag of Skittles and a drink and Zimmerman had a gun. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #202

Well we do know... McPops Jul 2013 #214

What do you think of Zimmerman. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #215

Never met the man McPops Jul 2013 #223

And your thoughts on Trayvon? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #224

Probably doesn't matter since he wasn't on trial. McPops Jul 2013 #230

Where did you hear that from Rush, Hannity, or Fox? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #245

So when you walk home from the store BainsBane Jul 2013 #200

I have a problem McPops Jul 2013 #204

Yet you have no problem with Zimmerman's killing Trayvon BainsBane Jul 2013 #205

Was that the reason? McPops Jul 2013 #207

So you blame trayvon for this? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #209

He saw a black teenager, considered him dangerous on sight BainsBane Jul 2013 #210

Are you seriously suggesting that Zimmerman's reasons for killing are the same as Bundy's? McPops Jul 2013 #218

So is your sympathy with Zimmerman or Trayvon? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #221

Why would my sympathies matter? McPops Jul 2013 #225

Do you feel upset that Travon is dead? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #226

See previous response McPops Jul 2013 #231

Both are killers BainsBane Jul 2013 #250

When Zimmerman said he would follow Trayvon DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #236

Hmmmm... Klukie Jul 2013 #128

I don't listen to the media anymore OwnedByCats Jul 2013 #132

24 hour news cycle nil desperandum Jul 2013 #156

Nothing wrong with asking questions Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #139

I personally believe that both sides are full of it. ieoeja Jul 2013 #147

Of course there's been such an effort. Look at the racial aspect. badtoworse Jul 2013 #163

And Trevor Dooley went to jail for Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #168

you don't like any claim of racism against a black person, period. CreekDog Jul 2013 #172

Zimmerman is a racist wanna-be cop Pablo Guachupita Jul 2013 #183

He probably has one by now McPops Jul 2013 #194

He is a murderer so he should not have one. In my opinion the jury made the wrong choice. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #195

I have not seen billh58 Jul 2013 #242

Why would he need a gun? Rex Jul 2013 #199

What makes you say that? Socal31 Jul 2013 #208

Suddenly you take the totally opposite point of view BainsBane Jul 2013 #211

As surely as we know OJ is a murderer, we also know Zimmerman is a murderer. DrewFlorida Jul 2013 #203

Truth by blatant assertion McPops Jul 2013 #206

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #212

Go ahead and say how you feel. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #213

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #216

what made you sign up if thats how you feel? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #217

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #219

Ok fair enough. Enjoy the site. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #220

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #227

Zombies do not last long. uppityperson Jul 2013 #228

Know what's even better? Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #229

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #233

even better than that Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #234

The only things I know, is that if Z had stayed in his car after calling the non emergency line, and Little Star Jul 2013 #235

Snopes debunks the TM pic lies, and I have a question for you: OneGrassRoot Jul 2013 #237

Well, Skip Intro Jul 2013 #241

The pic in question has been reported by right-wingers as age 12... OneGrassRoot Jul 2013 #243

How it happened jimrich Jul 2013 #255