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davidn3600

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43. That's not what's being discussed

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 06:06 AM

Jul 2013

The poster above is saying EVERY time someone dies it should go in front of a jury. That's just nuts. That's not how the system works. You have to have evidence and probable cause to bring any case against any one. That's a constitutional right.

If I am being legitimately attacked by someone...im the victim here...and I am cornered, I have a gun and my attacker is lunging at me with a knife, don't I have the right to pull out that gun and fire? Do I have to go in front of a jury and explain this and hope they see it my way?
Otherwise, what other option do I have? Let him stab me, call the cops, and hope I live?

And as for jury sequestering, I dont know how it is normally done. I have never been on such a jury. But I dont think jurors are treated as if they are in jail. I mean are cops outside the hotel room? Do they still have a TV in the room? Do they still have their cell phones? I've always thought its more of an honor system thing.

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I really dont like all this hate against my state. [View all] darkangel218 Jul 2013 OP

Oscar Grant and Rodney King XemaSab Jul 2013 #1

Oscar Grant's killer did time KamaAina Jul 2013 #111

Touche XemaSab Jul 2013 #125

I agree that it's short sighted BainsBane Jul 2013 #2

Absolutely davidpdx Jul 2013 #18

Sounds like a good plan to me. BainsBane Jul 2013 #21

You don't know the Fl Dem Party. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #28

Maybe so davidpdx Jul 2013 #34

PLUS ONE! Enthusiast Jul 2013 #37

Sorry, DA218 ... Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #3

Good to know Stevie Wonder isn't part of the real world! Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #53

+1 TheDebbieDee Jul 2013 #82

How many Floridians vote for people like Rick Scott? Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #4

less than half demwing Jul 2013 #101

Less than half of voters in that election... YoungDemCA Jul 2013 #103

So millions, not a few. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #116

you should try being from hfojvt Jul 2013 #5

I'm from Texas. I left and have no desire to go back. I know there are good people in Texas, but liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #15

I did the same, left Texas much to my family's chagrin...but there are good people there fighting CTyankee Jul 2013 #71

My Wife & I went the OTHER way. bvar22 Jul 2013 #117

what a great post, bvar! CTyankee Jul 2013 #118

Thank You. bvar22 Jul 2013 #119

We drove through Arkansas today. pamela Jul 2013 #127

Boycott an entire state because you don't like a jury verdict is pretty stupid davidn3600 Jul 2013 #6

anytime you kill another human being you should have to prove why it is justified. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #8

OK...Let's see... davidn3600 Jul 2013 #10

Oh, give me a break. How is Zimmerman who was stalking Martin and making Martin fear for his life liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #13

So when I fear for my life... davidn3600 Jul 2013 #16

You are fucking-A right you should have to think about it. Especially if you provoked the jtuck004 Jul 2013 #32

That's not what's being discussed davidn3600 Jul 2013 #43

Does the dead person not have a "constitutional right" to life, which you seem jtuck004 Jul 2013 #50

Well then the next time a woman kills her rapist, she needs to be put on trial too davidn3600 Jul 2013 #52

No use. Igel Jul 2013 #60

Bunch of idiots don't get that you can't make one law for women and one for men. dkf Jul 2013 #70

That would be for the judge and jury at the inquest to decide. n/t jtuck004 Jul 2013 #106

i agree except for one thing . . . i think the state blew the case. eom ellenfl Jul 2013 #113

How long have you been involved in with politics? TM99 Jul 2013 #7

You're making sense. There needs to be something done Cha Jul 2013 #39

Yeah, Alaska sure had to take its lumps Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #89

Exactly! TM99 Jul 2013 #92

Floridians must learn that they have been bad boys and girls ErikJ Jul 2013 #9

I'm sorry mommy. I promise I won't do it again. n/t L0oniX Jul 2013 #86

If we boycotted every state that had an unjust verdict LittleBlue Jul 2013 #11

Not to mention no place to live... bluedigger Jul 2013 #12

It was the boycott of Arizona that finally made them honor MLK Day holiday. ErikJ Jul 2013 #14

South Carolina has been under boycott BradinSC Jul 2013 #55

you deserve a hug handmade34 Jul 2013 #76

Exactly UncleTomsEvilBrother Jul 2013 #56

Threads like this tend not to end well. Electric Monk Jul 2013 #17

The irony is that Every state has racist bigots. I recall a Harpers article that had a map of the US adirondacker Jul 2013 #19

SPLC has a map too XemaSab Jul 2013 #29

Alas, so much of that map is baloney cali Jul 2013 #41

Look at the temptation. Igel Jul 2013 #62

Excellent point, that I hadn't considered. Thanks. nt adirondacker Jul 2013 #102

Thanks for bringing that to attention. While I can agree that SPLC may "over react" to an individual adirondacker Jul 2013 #97

If I hadn't heard about this pipi_k Jul 2013 #77

Connecticut nil desperandum Jul 2013 #110

Thanks for the verification. There is plenty of creepiness in the Northeast, but also some fine adirondacker Jul 2013 #114

Boycotts work DontTreadOnMe Jul 2013 #20

How is it going to work? BainsBane Jul 2013 #22

Supposedly Stevie Wonder fans will stage a coup de e'tat. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #24

I don't follow that BainsBane Jul 2013 #25

Poutrage du jour... HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #23

This cordelia Jul 2013 #54

You know what, I love Florida as a place, CC Jul 2013 #26

It's not 'hate'. It's a political protest. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #27

Exactly. I'll spend my vacation dollars in progressive Hawaii. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #30

i think 'hate' is more like when you stalk somebody with a gun & kill them. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #31

It's Not Safe in Florida otohara Jul 2013 #122

I wouldn't worry about a boycott. JoeyT Jul 2013 #33

Those millions who voted Republican brought it on themselves. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #35

I don't hate Florida. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #36

DarkAngel, none of this people were going to go to FL BainsBane Jul 2013 #38

I still want to see Florida one day. bravenak Jul 2013 #40

Darkangel, I think the problem is Seminole County/Sanford and places like that steve2470 Jul 2013 #42

What about SYG in all the other states in the country? BainsBane Jul 2013 #44

good point, and I don't know how it would work to get a repeal steve2470 Jul 2013 #45

When I asked some questions in another thread BainsBane Jul 2013 #46

people are very angry right now, and I do understand steve2470 Jul 2013 #47

It is reductive of the truth in a discussion of law and policy to pretend it is all the Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #78

As a Floridian I agree RockaFowler Jul 2013 #48

Right! What's not to love? Divernan Jul 2013 #49

So much of the tourist economy comes from Ghost of Tom Joad Jul 2013 #51

Darkangel, if it's any consolation, I don't believe this boycott, LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #57

Why does the boycott or cause never match the initial problem madville Jul 2013 #58

It's emotionally satisfying. Igel Jul 2013 #65

Such calls for boycotts are shortsighted. MineralMan Jul 2013 #59

to a point, I agree, but states can and do take steps to try harder and do better. CTyankee Jul 2013 #64

Boycotts can work when they are directed towards MineralMan Jul 2013 #69

If enough people in the state feel the shame of what happened, it CAN have a psychological CTyankee Jul 2013 #75

We have to hold criminal states accountable. ErikJ Jul 2013 #61

"... mistakes of a few." It seems like more that a few Floridians are making bad political ladjf Jul 2013 #63

Thanks to the Zimmerman case, FL is now the symbol. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #66

I love vacationing in FL. Been 6 times. Will again. But get a D gov. and legislature in there. RBInMaine Jul 2013 #67

I blame LeBron...That is still entirely Florida's fault... Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #68

I'm still waiting for the CA boycott over the OJ verdict ksoze Jul 2013 #72

^^^^this^^^^ L0oniX Jul 2013 #87

People don't realize how Florida is really 3 distinctly different places. My suggestion to all is... stevenleser Jul 2013 #73

They won't think about it. Trust me. I'm a Native Texan. kentauros Jul 2013 #74

Ah, Texas! Along with Florida another of the 29 States in which it is legal to discriminate Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #80

Thankfully, I don't care what you think. kentauros Jul 2013 #81

It's not opinion it is fact, discrimination against LGBT people is legal in Texas. Fully. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #88

"You think I somehow OWE Texas my money and presence?" kentauros Jul 2013 #94

Last time I looked Floridians were United States citizens. nt rrneck Jul 2013 #79

kick Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #83

Don't blame DUers or outsiders who boycott. Blame your fellow Floridians who choose to be kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #84

The Dem votes from Florida are not wanted? OK. L0oniX Jul 2013 #85

I will still go to visit my family that moved there Florida really doesn't come off any more fucked Arcanetrance Jul 2013 #90

I stand with you on this. William769 Jul 2013 #91

I think these boycott ideas are dumb. bigwillq Jul 2013 #93

As a woman who grew up in MS and LA I appreciate your pain. It's so easy to broad brush. nolabear Jul 2013 #95

The governor and state legislature are not "the mistakes of a few" cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #96

The whole point of a boycott is to put pressure on Florida's businesses. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #98

I don't see... UncleTomsEvilBrother Jul 2013 #105

awww. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2013 #99

I have such mixed feelings, and I definitely appreciate HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #100

How does one even "average out" any state, let alone one of tens of millions of people? YoungDemCA Jul 2013 #104

Your state sucks. Apophis Jul 2013 #107

Nonsense. nt darkangel218 Jul 2013 #108

the only people who can boycott every state where racial injustice is prevalent carolinayellowdog Jul 2013 #109

didn't enjoy it for CA and prop H8, but agreed it was right NuttyFluffers Jul 2013 #112

I was born in Philadelphia, but grew up in Miami from the age of 6. RebelOne Jul 2013 #115

It has to start somewhere. Unfortunately, the "face" and initiation of SYG is FL. nt live love laugh Jul 2013 #120

To borrow a phrase from the RW "It is time for FL to take some 'Personnel Responsibility'" Whey Vincardog Jul 2013 #121

Some people aren't good with ambiguities. aikoaiko Jul 2013 #123

I have to admit, I don't understand all this state loyalty stuff LadyHawkAZ Jul 2013 #124

how would you suggest people express their displeasure with the Doctor_J Jul 2013 #126

I agree with you. Beacool Jul 2013 #128