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In reply to the discussion: In FL there are Blacks who shoot Whites and use SYG and get off. [View all]HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)9. oh bull.
Using the same data base for fatal Stand Your Ground law cases provided by the Tampa Bay Times, one must conclude that Mr. Howley is either very inept at processing data or that he is intentionally misleading his readers to advance his own ideological agenda.
His analysis fails to recognize that the most significant and relevant data instead points to the conclusion not that blacks benefit from the Stand Your Ground law as he states, but rather those who kill blacks benefit from the law as it is applied in Florida.
The Tampa Bay Times analysis of 133 fatal cases where the accused attempted to use the Stand Your Ground as a justification for homicide shows that 20 cases are still pending. For the 113 cases that are no longer pending, in 73 cases the accused was considered justified under Stand Your Ground, and in 40 cases he or she was convicted for the killing.
When the victim is white, the person who kills him or her is convicted 43 percent of the time.
When the victim is black, the killer is only convicted 22 percent of the time.
The killers of Hispanic victims are also convicted just 22 percent of the time.
Although blacks who kill other blacks are found justified under Stand Your Ground 73 percent of the time, whites who kill blacks are deemed to be justified in killing the black person 86 percent of the time.
When the victim is black and killed by a white or a Hispanic (like Zimmerman) the murder is considered justified 90 percent of the time in the state of Florida.
By contrast, when the victim is white and killed by a non-white (black or Hispanic) person, the murder is considered justified just 60 percent of the time.
In other words, when a black person is shot and killed in a Stand Your Ground case, the chances that his or her killer will be convicted of a crime is around 1 in 5.
If the accused is not black, his chances of being convicted drop to 1 in 10.
By contrast, a person who kills a white person and tries to invoke Stand Your Ground has a 43 percent chance of being convicted and sent to prison.
Black killers stand a reasonable chance of getting away with murder as long as they confine their killing to murdering other African-Americans. Whites can successfully use Stand Your Ground as a defense nearly nine times out of ten as long as they shoot black people, but they are rolling the dice and gambling with prison time if they stand their ground against another white person.
Blacks do not benefit from Floridas Stand Your Ground Law, but it is pretty obvious that since the law was passed in 2005, those who kill blacks do.
http://www.politicususa.com/2013/07/22/kill-blacks-benefit-floridas-stand-ground-law.html
His analysis fails to recognize that the most significant and relevant data instead points to the conclusion not that blacks benefit from the Stand Your Ground law as he states, but rather those who kill blacks benefit from the law as it is applied in Florida.
The Tampa Bay Times analysis of 133 fatal cases where the accused attempted to use the Stand Your Ground as a justification for homicide shows that 20 cases are still pending. For the 113 cases that are no longer pending, in 73 cases the accused was considered justified under Stand Your Ground, and in 40 cases he or she was convicted for the killing.
When the victim is white, the person who kills him or her is convicted 43 percent of the time.
When the victim is black, the killer is only convicted 22 percent of the time.
The killers of Hispanic victims are also convicted just 22 percent of the time.
Although blacks who kill other blacks are found justified under Stand Your Ground 73 percent of the time, whites who kill blacks are deemed to be justified in killing the black person 86 percent of the time.
When the victim is black and killed by a white or a Hispanic (like Zimmerman) the murder is considered justified 90 percent of the time in the state of Florida.
By contrast, when the victim is white and killed by a non-white (black or Hispanic) person, the murder is considered justified just 60 percent of the time.
In other words, when a black person is shot and killed in a Stand Your Ground case, the chances that his or her killer will be convicted of a crime is around 1 in 5.
If the accused is not black, his chances of being convicted drop to 1 in 10.
By contrast, a person who kills a white person and tries to invoke Stand Your Ground has a 43 percent chance of being convicted and sent to prison.
Black killers stand a reasonable chance of getting away with murder as long as they confine their killing to murdering other African-Americans. Whites can successfully use Stand Your Ground as a defense nearly nine times out of ten as long as they shoot black people, but they are rolling the dice and gambling with prison time if they stand their ground against another white person.
Blacks do not benefit from Floridas Stand Your Ground Law, but it is pretty obvious that since the law was passed in 2005, those who kill blacks do.
http://www.politicususa.com/2013/07/22/kill-blacks-benefit-floridas-stand-ground-law.html
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In FL there are Blacks who shoot Whites and use SYG and get off. [View all]
GreenStormCloud
Jul 2013
OP
I missed it too. She confronted him a couple months AFTER the shooting incident.
rdharma
Jul 2013
#125
she wasnt supposed to go near them she was out on bond and was supposed to stay away from them
leftyohiolib
Jul 2013
#26
Wow. I have bookmarked that for the next time someone brings her up. N/T
GreenStormCloud
Jul 2013
#231
She didn't have any sort of restraining order against her at the time of the shooting.
rdharma
Jul 2013
#131
Maybe he used their children to lure/bait her into coming to the house........
TheDebbieDee
Jul 2013
#227
Bull-Fucking-Shit this thread of yours we're in right now isn't because of the Zimmerman case. nt
Electric Monk
Jul 2013
#110
She went to the garage, got the gun, returned to the house, fired the shot. N/T
GreenStormCloud
Jul 2013
#191
excpt the evidence doesnt show a warning shot. she fired at him and missd. the shot went thru the
leftyohiolib
Jul 2013
#23
It probably didn't help her cause much after her attorney said she fired a warning shot into the
AnotherMcIntosh
Jul 2013
#128
One might think in non-fatal cases like these are, there might be 2 witnesses, not just 1
uppityperson
Jul 2013
#7
How is the OP pro-Zimmerman? It says nothing at all about Z, TM, or the trial.
GreenStormCloud
Jul 2013
#20
Yes, they certainly seem to have a vested interest in not understanding. Because, guns....
Electric Monk
Jul 2013
#39
it's the *same* sample as in the OP. and it's not a 'sample,' it's the entire universe of syg cases
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#59
not any more 'misleading' than absolute numbers where there are a 'small number of cases'.
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#65
no; the percentages and absolute numbers give the *same* fucking picture. duh.
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#72
the difference is not just 'one,' because the difference is not just about the small # of b/w or
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#94
If the victim is black, whites have a much better chance of being exonerated.
hay rick
Jul 2013
#223
i heard the %age as 35% of white on black syg goes free compared to 3% blk on why syg
leftyohiolib
Jul 2013
#28
excpt you dont know how they came to these number and neither do i i heard this on the randi rhodes
leftyohiolib
Jul 2013
#37
yes, i do. the op used the same tampa bay times sample. the op cherry picks it. and it's
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#60
you took only b/w & w/b. which as you yourself acknowledge is a handful of cases.
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#90
Because I am pointing out that the number are very similar for cross-racial shootings.
GreenStormCloud
Jul 2013
#107
oh hipoint , i was replying to green point's post and i was refering to the 35% to 3% numbers from
leftyohiolib
Jul 2013
#76
The law says you have to REASONABLY fear for loss of life or serious bodily injury
davidn3600
Jul 2013
#49
That's where the DEFENSE was SYG. SYG language is used in jury instructions even when defense
blm
Jul 2013
#22
I didn't even analyze the numbers. It is a stupid premise. the thing I care about?
Pretzel_Warrior
Jul 2013
#38
I'd do my best to rationalize a crap law and deflect the attention to that too...
LanternWaste
Jul 2013
#44
Confirmation Bias Man says: "Remember, kids, posts like this aren't race-baiting!"
Robb
Jul 2013
#66
"Some of them folks just needs a killin." Wow, is your world view ever fucked up.
Electric Monk
Jul 2013
#170
If you think that violent criminals are only doing it for money then you are naive.
GreenStormCloud
Jul 2013
#178
"Florida's Stand Your Ground Defense More Likely To Succeed If Victim Is Black: Study"
DevonRex
Jul 2013
#161
It was a warning shot according to all of the links I have researched via GOOGLE
c588415
Jul 2013
#247
That is how the law has ruled. You don't get to overturn those rulings.
GreenStormCloud
Jul 2013
#257
How 'bout this... get some fucking pepper spray or mace if you need to buy some time for a retreat
Ed Suspicious
Jul 2013
#253
There are big problems with relying on pepper spray as an only defense.
GreenStormCloud
Jul 2013
#256