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16. Except for the fact that, in very important ways, he really wasn't Bradley Manning:

Wed Jul 24, 2013, 03:52 AM

Jul 2013

Here's the complete Pentagon papers, all 7000 pages of it: http://www.archives.gov/research/pentagon-papers/

Senator Gravel's edition of the papers doesn't run over 2500 pages

So Mr Ellsberg didn't end up just dumping everything randomly: he released one multi-volume study -- and actually not all of it

And Ellsberg knew what he was releasing

The volume of Manning's release is many many times greater -- and it was indiscriminate. Manning release, if published in paper, wouldn't run to four or five volumes: it would run to 1000 or 1500 volumes. If Manning, from the time he arrived in Iraq until the time he was arrested, twenty four hours a day, seven days a week, did nothing but READ what he released, he couldn't have spent more than 30 seconds per page -- without any time for eating, sleeping, shitting, showering, or anything else

Manning didn't know what he was releasing. He was just busily releasing it

That's a big difference

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Except for the fact that, in very important ways, he really wasn't Bradley Manning: struggle4progress Jul 2013 #16

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