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151. I am relatively new to DU

Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:09 PM

Jul 2013

but in the short time I have been here, I noticed that the Snowden issue has been one big divisive issue here.
Options that have been put forth, just to simplify the issue, are, is Snowden a whistleblower or a traitor, or, it's not about Snowden, it's about our 4th Amendment rights.
I have seen very little discussion about a 3rd option. Snowden worked for a subsidiary of the Carlyle Group. What if the main goal of Snowden's release of information was simply to make Pres Obama look bad, and, to turn Democrats against him? People in the Carlyle Group may have known that after Snowden's revelations, nothing was going to change in the NSA or CIA.
Let's look at the House vote to actually do something. More Democrats voted stop the surveillance than Republicans, even with the block of Libertarians in the Republican House. There has been no discussion that I have seen as to why the House Republicans suddenly voted against the Constitution and for President Obama. Doesn't that fact alone give anyone reason to ponder why? As I said before, if the goal of Snowden, with the backing of the Carlyle Group was simply to make Pres Obama look bad, the mission was a success.
Even with the close House vote, I still believe that it will be business as usual with the NSA, DHS, and CIA, and the only thing accomplished will be a battered President.

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You weren't here for the primary wars in 2008 - TBF Jul 2013 #333

What about 2007 when Pelosi declared impeachment "off the table"? Doctor_J Jul 2013 #368

That was likely very bad - TBF Jul 2013 #384

you weren't here for seventhson Enrique Jul 2013 #336

I appreciate your reminder about Seventhson. Will never forget "The Great Reveal" emulatorloo Jul 2013 #347

'Don't bother with the Republican punching bag; we need to burn Obama's feet off in the fire.' byronius Jul 2013 #338

Ratfucking. That's what you see. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #346

I just want Democrats to be DEMOCRATS! DissidentVoice Jul 2013 #349

I've noticed. EC Jul 2013 #353

I've voted Democrat all my life. BUT snot Jul 2013 #354

The truth is that voting Dem doesn't seem to do anything for us, or anyone, right now Doctor_J Jul 2013 #370

Some people just like a high thread count. JohnnyRingo Jul 2013 #367

On a friends rec, I have decided to post this sentiment. Rebellious Republican Jul 2013 #373

Oh the irony. This thread appears to me to be divisive. It definitely doesnt address rhett o rick Jul 2013 #376

+1. bemildred Jul 2013 #379

Thanks for your post, also thanks for joining Democrats. I agree there are trolls here with Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #405

You have discovered that DU users are human. Orsino Jul 2013 #383

K & R!! RavensChick Jul 2013 #398

Agree get the red out Jul 2013 #402

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Jul 2013 #403