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DirkGently

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167. Disagree. Framing dissent as weakness is the greater distraction.

Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:54 PM

Jul 2013

Bad news IS the news. "Everything went well today" is not a news story nor much of a source of discussion. That's a journalistic maxim, and it pretty much applies to public discussion in general.

Likewise, "I sure agree with everything our party / President / possible future candidates are doing" is not much of a conversation starter.

Not to mention impossible. Take the recent failed vote to limit the power of the NSA. Supported by more Democrats than Republicans, but opposed by some Democrats, many Republicans, and the White House. Which side of that discussion is being divisive?

I don't think Dems arguing with Dems about what Dems and progressives in general ought to be doing or not doing or electing or not electing has the overall affect of causing "despair" and helping Republicans.

I have heard that line of reasoning, but it always seems to come from a compact group with the monolithic view of politics: "Vote for our team, then shut up or voice unqualified support, please."

Those people are wrong, frankly, and we'd be a weaker group if that view prevailed. Progressives and Dems are not the blindly "angry" rightwingers you mentioned, and the fact we're not easily unified is part of what ... unifies us, in the end. If we're doing it right, we figure things out from the bottom up to the leadership, not the other way 'round. That's for Republicans.

Lefties think critically and are inherently disrespectful of authority. We don't fall in line and simply enthuse about how correct we all are about everything. We disagree. We complain. We agitate. We are suspicious of calls for loyalty. Sometimes it gets messy. Sometimes it gets (metaphorically) bloody.

That's a good thing. And we can handle it.

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It is discouraging that this, a site dedicated to promoting Democrats, has become anti Democratic liberal N proud Jul 2013 #329

No, those that have become anti-Democratic are Obama Broward Jul 2013 #334

If I had to choose BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #339

Incoherent babble liberal N proud Jul 2013 #386

I think my point is straightforward, but obviously you can pretend Broward Jul 2013 #388

We are angry at the wrong people. MyNameGoesHere Jul 2013 #330

You weren't here for the primary wars in 2008 - TBF Jul 2013 #333

What about 2007 when Pelosi declared impeachment "off the table"? Doctor_J Jul 2013 #368

That was likely very bad - TBF Jul 2013 #384

you weren't here for seventhson Enrique Jul 2013 #336

I appreciate your reminder about Seventhson. Will never forget "The Great Reveal" emulatorloo Jul 2013 #347

'Don't bother with the Republican punching bag; we need to burn Obama's feet off in the fire.' byronius Jul 2013 #338

Ratfucking. That's what you see. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #346

I just want Democrats to be DEMOCRATS! DissidentVoice Jul 2013 #349

I've noticed. EC Jul 2013 #353

I've voted Democrat all my life. BUT snot Jul 2013 #354

The truth is that voting Dem doesn't seem to do anything for us, or anyone, right now Doctor_J Jul 2013 #370

Some people just like a high thread count. JohnnyRingo Jul 2013 #367

On a friends rec, I have decided to post this sentiment. Rebellious Republican Jul 2013 #373

Oh the irony. This thread appears to me to be divisive. It definitely doesnt address rhett o rick Jul 2013 #376

+1. bemildred Jul 2013 #379

Thanks for your post, also thanks for joining Democrats. I agree there are trolls here with Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #405

You have discovered that DU users are human. Orsino Jul 2013 #383

K & R!! RavensChick Jul 2013 #398

Agree get the red out Jul 2013 #402

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