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Fri Jul 26, 2013, 05:49 AM Jul 2013

Sen. Ron Wyden On NSA Spying: It's As Bad As Snowden Says [View all]

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/sen-ron-wyden-nsa-spying-its-bad-snowden-says



Editor's note: This is a transcript from a speech given on Tuesday, July 23, at the Center for American Progress in Washington.

When the Patriot Act was last reauthorized, I stood on the floor of the United States Senate and said, “I want to deliver a warning this afternoon. When the American people find out how their government has interpreted the Patriot Act, they are going to be stunned and they are going to be angry.”

From my position on the Senate Intelligence Committee, I had seen government activities conducted under the umbrella of the Patriot Act that I knew would astonish most Americans. At the time, Senate rules about classified information barred me from giving any specifics of what I’d seen except to describe it as "secret law"—a secret interpretation of the Patriot Act, issued by a secret court, that authorizes secret surveillance programs; programs that I and colleagues think go far beyond the intent of the statute.

If that is not enough to give you pause, then consider that not only were the existence of and the legal justification for these programs kept completely secret from the American people, senior officials from across the government were making statements to the public about domestic surveillance that were clearly misleading and at times simply false. Senator Mark Udall and I tried again and again to get the executive branch to be straight with the public, but under the classification rules observed by the Senate we are not even allowed to tap the truth out in Morse code ­ and we tried just about everything else we could think of to warn the American people. But as I’ve said before, one way or another, the truth always wins out.

Edward Snowden’s Revelations

Last month, disclosures made by an NSA contractor lit the surveillance world on fire. Several provisions of secret law were no longer secret and the American people were finally able to see some of the things I’ve been raising the alarm about for years. And when they did, boy were they stunned, and boy, are they angry.
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K&R idwiyo Jul 2013 #1
"Senator Mark Udall and I tried again and again to get the executive branch to be straight..." chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #7
fuck that they should have blown the whistle elehhhhna Jul 2013 #110
K&R (n/t) bread_and_roses Jul 2013 #2
Kick And Recommend cantbeserious Jul 2013 #3
That racist, Obama-hater!!! MNBrewer Jul 2013 #4
Not only that, East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #5
If Congress wants to reign them in, they should do so. randome Jul 2013 #9
So the Democratic senator from Oregon is now Snowdon worshiping Grennwaldite, and should be ignored? Civilization2 Jul 2013 #15
I'm not 'defending' anything. I'm tired of people making vague claims. randome Jul 2013 #16
You do understand that Wyden cannot make anything other than vague claims, right? Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #20
Bingo! Vinnie From Indy Jul 2013 #24
Nailed that poster's MO bobduca Jul 2013 #64
Sneering is all they have. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2013 #79
Excuse me for going into work today! randome Jul 2013 #94
Use the google. Do a tiny bit of research. reusrename Jul 2013 #140
What would a 'doctoral thesis' have to do with reality? randome Jul 2013 #144
Everything that I've ever written about on this subject is real. reusrename Jul 2013 #145
The price for Wyden and Udall would be Progressive dog Jul 2013 #90
Times have changed. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #136
The torture of Bradlet Manning was done in a Marine corps prison Progressive dog Jul 2013 #143
You do understand the lack of evidence, right? randome Jul 2013 #93
Thank you, Warren S. n/t truedelphi Jul 2013 #109
"evidence" really? What planet are you currently living on?? Civilization2 Jul 2013 #28
+++++ marions ghost Jul 2013 #31
And presiding judge of the FISA court is Reggie Walton who LOVES the "State Secrets Privilege"... cascadiance Jul 2013 #34
Manning has nothing to do with the NSA, which is the subject of the OP. randome Jul 2013 #95
Yeah, "Snowden's 'treatment'", the revoking of his citizenship for the political act of leaking,. Civilization2 Jul 2013 #107
I'm pretty sure every American who steals national security documents... randome Jul 2013 #111
See Reply #28,. Civilization2 Jul 2013 #146
So you are attacking my Democratic Senator now. Usually it is just voting Democrats Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #43
Who is attacking anyone? randome Jul 2013 #96
How amusing, from someone who makes vague claims spooky3 Jul 2013 #46
I can't provide evidence of something I don't know about. randome Jul 2013 #97
LOL, Wow just,. WOW! You win the biggest hypocrite of the day award!!! Civilization2 Jul 2013 #103
I don't take offense. Ever. randome Jul 2013 #106
see post 107,. again you keep going to Snowden when this has little to do with him,. Civilization2 Jul 2013 #108
So you can't point to the evidence, then? I didn't think I was asking too much. randome Jul 2013 #132
how is nsa spying illegal? Dustin DeWinde Jul 2013 #139
Congress acts with speed: ProSense Jul 2013 #22
It's disturbing how comfortable you are being on the wrong side of this issue. n/t whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #27
It's "disturbing how comfortable you are" not dealing with reality. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #30
Hilarious! think Jul 2013 #51
But you were all over posting how horrible it was when Bush was doing it. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #73
That poster and her cohort have a long history of opposing Democrats elected in Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #45
Ludicrous. ProSense Jul 2013 #53
This has to be the greatest post of cognitive dissonance I've read on DU. morningfog Jul 2013 #74
Not legal lark Jul 2013 #86
Senators swear no secrets oath nt Progressive dog Jul 2013 #88
It's not a secret oath. dgibby Jul 2013 #100
No they do not swear an oath Progressive dog Jul 2013 #105
So once again you side wit Gov Christie and against Sen Wyden. IMO you are on the rhett o rick Jul 2013 #87
Senators on Intelligence Committee can make no difference Progressive dog Jul 2013 #92
Here is an OP about sides. The 1% vs. the 99%. Which side are you on? rhett o rick Jul 2013 #134
I put him (DR) on Ignore, finally, just this morning Demeter Jul 2013 #11
Oops....Another messenger to kill! LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #89
And Udal too zeemike Jul 2013 #23
Just another uninformed idiot bamboozled by randroids. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #6
Are you serious, or sarcastic? Demeter Jul 2013 #12
Poe's Law applies. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #19
Senator Wyden ProSense Jul 2013 #8
laughable LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #42
Ron Wyden is my Democratic Senator and fellow Oregonian. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #47
As usual, ProSense Jul 2013 #48
"you projecting" bobduca Jul 2013 #58
So, Jefferson23 Jul 2013 #10
k/r marmar Jul 2013 #13
k&r Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #14
Recommend... Looks like Snowden's Revelations are at least giving support KoKo Jul 2013 #17
K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #18
Very recommended, that is eye-opening. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #21
We fix it now or there is no turning back... kentuck Jul 2013 #25
Wyden is a racist hater teabagger alex jonesssssss~~~~~!!@!!!! Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #26
knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #29
Thank you Ron Wyden and Oregon marions ghost Jul 2013 #32
Thanks, Senator Wyden, for catching that ball. toby jo Jul 2013 #33
Of course a BIG K&R for the truth! Something in short supply anymore. nt matthews Jul 2013 #35
K & R AzDar Jul 2013 #36
sadly the patriot act will never be repealed. Javaman Jul 2013 #37
new revolving door job opportunities xchrom Jul 2013 #38
It will be... Javaman Jul 2013 #39
indeed. nt xchrom Jul 2013 #41
The State Security Apparatus is a Bush Junta welfare program for redneck merc-types Coyotl Jul 2013 #62
You summed it perfectly. Welfare for the repuke well connected. nt Javaman Jul 2013 #69
Carefully filtered good Christian soldiers who never question authority Coyotl Jul 2013 #71
knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #40
Ed Snowden - Robert Lady. Compare and contrast. Lugal Zaggesi Jul 2013 #44
K & R deurbano Jul 2013 #49
K&R K&R K&R nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #50
Kick & rec for the potted plants.... think Jul 2013 #52
Of course it is. Our government isn't losing its mind & masks coming off for the fun of it Catherina Jul 2013 #54
+1 xchrom Jul 2013 #56
A good liberal Senator on the Intelligence Committee is telling us LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #55
^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^ +1000000000000000 Coyotl Jul 2013 #63
Why doesnt Wyden break the law and join Greenwald in Brazil!?!?! bobduca Jul 2013 #65
He's doing exactly what he's supposed to be doing, which is LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #72
"I'm on this site because I support Democrats! Wait -- what party is Wyden again!?" villager Jul 2013 #57
Sarcasm? whttevrr Jul 2013 #59
Exactly so. villager Jul 2013 #60
K&R MuseRider Jul 2013 #61
knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #66
Wyden never really loved him. joeybee12 Jul 2013 #67
Let's see how the shills spin this. Apophis Jul 2013 #68
these posts are like kryptonite to the naysayers.. frylock Jul 2013 #78
They're the same type of people who were against this when Bush did it. Apophis Jul 2013 #85
Clearly Senator Wyden never loved the President and instead is a secret Alex Jones follower. Hong Kong Cavalier Jul 2013 #70
These days, sadly you do need a sarcasm tag :( Hydra Jul 2013 #80
Ron Wyden is nothing more than a Republican posing as a Democrat. QC Jul 2013 #75
I was waiting for that. LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #76
Wyden: "While I have your attention... railsback Jul 2013 #77
Well, since the issue is NSA surveillance and not Medicare Maedhros Jul 2013 #81
Is it now railsback Jul 2013 #82
I have had my disagreements with Wyden in the past, including on the Medicare issue you mentioned. Maedhros Jul 2013 #91
It doesn't matter. The parameters have been set in stone. railsback Jul 2013 #98
So about that Chained CPI.... Pholus Jul 2013 #104
What about the Chained CPI? railsback Jul 2013 #113
Post 98. nt Pholus Jul 2013 #133
Oh look! Diversion! neverforget Jul 2013 #112
Yes, never mind the Wyden guy behind the curtain railsback Jul 2013 #114
Never mind my Senator doing his job. neverforget Jul 2013 #115
Trying to kill Medicare railsback Jul 2013 #116
Diversion. Thanks for playing. neverforget Jul 2013 #117
Yes, its like Ted Bundy opening a shelter for orphaned children railsback Jul 2013 #118
You're unhinged neverforget Jul 2013 #120
Just look away railsback Jul 2013 #121
Look in the mirror. neverforget Jul 2013 #122
Desiring to throw the elderly to the wolves and thinking its a good idea railsback Jul 2013 #123
How about Obama's Chained CPI proposal? Does the same thing. neverforget Jul 2013 #124
Obama has ALWAYS said he never liked the idea railsback Jul 2013 #125
Lol. If he doesn't believe it then why propose it? neverforget Jul 2013 #127
I just told you railsback Jul 2013 #129
So he hates it so much that he proposed it in his budget because the Republicans neverforget Jul 2013 #130
Wow, thanks! 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #83
Don't you sometimes wonder how much more effective Peacetrain Jul 2013 #84
What has happened when others acted as you prescribe? TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #99
I really do not give a hairy damn what you believe Peacetrain Jul 2013 #102
Only the clairvoyance required to put together when one flips the switch they want the light on TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #141
Well Kentuck.. I can't spar with you today Peacetrain Jul 2013 #142
Kentuck is another good soul that I think of as a friend online but he is quite distinct TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #147
+1 woo me with science Jul 2013 #119
+1000 darkangel218 Jul 2013 #128
Wyden is my Senator and he has earned my vote come re-election time. JEB Jul 2013 #101
K&R x darkangel218 Jul 2013 #126
K&R n/t myrna minx Jul 2013 #131
K&R JDPriestly Jul 2013 #135
Well, there goes Wyden under the bus.... blackspade Jul 2013 #137
. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #138
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