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63. Isn't 'perversion' just deviance with a negative connotation?

Fri Jul 26, 2013, 01:34 PM

Jul 2013

The conversation surrounding his sexual behavior seems to dance in circles around uncertain meanings of things like deviance, perversion, addiction and obsessiveness.

I really don't care about the deviance of his sexual behavior. I wonder about how he self-assesses his behavior to meet common narcissistic needs.

Every politician (and many other job descriptors including writer, pundit, actor, professor, etc) gets a sense of reward from being a source of people's attention. These are common needs that can be great motivators and not necessarily bad for a person's career.

What bothers me is Weiner's apparent perspective on obtaining his narcissistic supply. He doesn't seem to recognize that some ways of getting narcissistic supply are OK for a politician and others are seen by others as deviant and are consequently dysfunctional to the role he wants to fulfill.

In a democracy, the answer to the following question will be made collectively...Does New York city need an elected executive who doesn't know how to recognize (and avoid) behavior that leads to dysfunction in his desired political role?

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About perverts who are flashers. [View all] Cleita Jul 2013 OP

Did he send his dick to random people?... allin99 Jul 2013 #1

Don't think that could have been done on a rotary phone. eom Cleita Jul 2013 #2

So the equivilant is not random flashing but... allin99 Jul 2013 #3

You're talking about consensual behavior, I think, but frankly I don't know what you are getting at. Cleita Jul 2013 #7

Right, which is why i asked, did he send his dick to random people... allin99 Jul 2013 #10

Even flashers are not random. They select their victims, usually very young pretty girls. Cleita Jul 2013 #12

i mean the people who he sent the texts to... allin99 Jul 2013 #27

I don't know what has become of this country. Cleita Jul 2013 #29

Why do you keep not answering the questions? JVS Jul 2013 #45

Probably because she's just been a flashee Aerows Jul 2013 #138

That makes no difference in the ability to know what the facts of the case are. JVS Jul 2013 #140

That may be true Aerows Jul 2013 #142

That's not what was asked. What was asked was whether the pics were unsolicited or not. JVS Jul 2013 #145

Hard to say Aerows Jul 2013 #146

At least one of the women from the original situation, tblue37 Jul 2013 #162

Ha! zappaman Jul 2013 #154

I know Aerows Jul 2013 #169

depends on what he did... allin99 Jul 2013 #48

It is a different age and our sexting can be enjoyed by the NSA as well iemitsu Jul 2013 #71

Best post in this thread yet! Cleita Jul 2013 #79

I even wonder what role the NSA has had in our iemitsu Jul 2013 #164

Do we know for a fact that his sexting was unsolicited and unwanted? I was under the kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #57

Read some of the posts on this thread that explain that Cleita Jul 2013 #58

But... What about actual facts? whttevrr Jul 2013 #59

Try Google. If you haven't kept up with the news, that's where to start. Cleita Jul 2013 #60

Boy, you seriously need to take a chill pill. What's with the nastiness? kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #62

Get tired of this stuff. The truth is out there. Unless that person was in a cave until Cleita Jul 2013 #66

Is that how it works? whttevrr Jul 2013 #64

I'd imagine that if one indeed was curious enough LanternWaste Jul 2013 #73

I suppose if someone was dealing with facts... whttevrr Jul 2013 #82

I Googled. Got this: "she sent him numerous naked pictures." KurtNYC Jul 2013 #96

Google more. She wasn't the only one. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #98

Thanks for the research assignment I suppose. KurtNYC Jul 2013 #108

See post 143 Kurt and Kestrel. That's just one of them that I had bookmarked. There were more Catherina Jul 2013 #149

Well if the women went along with the sex talk and were flirty, I can see where that might kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #61

See my post here. He did it on political forums, chat forums, places women were't looking for that Catherina Jul 2013 #172

Well that's just shameful. He needs to find a career other than politics. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #177

Thanks Kestrel. It sure is. I can't even imagine someone doing such a thing. I'd be so angry! n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #180

I agree with you Politicalboi Jul 2013 #80

Agree Huma should cut her losses and get out. He will ruin her career Cleita Jul 2013 #85

I have no idea why she's still with him darkangel218 Jul 2013 #88

I think she has low self-esteem. It can happen with beautiful and accomplished people. Cleita Jul 2013 #90

I hope so too. darkangel218 Jul 2013 #93

Yes, in one instance we know of he sent an unsolicited pix of himself to a woman. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #105

do you have a link? i looked... allin99 Jul 2013 #117

supposition is fact this summer. whttevrr Jul 2013 #121

lmao. allin99 Jul 2013 #130

Yeah, DU's discussion level has turned to shit JVS Jul 2013 #144

I can't answer that question, but I know for a fact Aerows Jul 2013 #137

You think these people are rational? Aerows Jul 2013 #136

lol. ppl sexting are not being accosted. allin99 Jul 2013 #159

Hmm Aerows Jul 2013 #165

and good luck with the argument... allin99 Jul 2013 #166

Good luck with the argument that everyone takes dick pictures of themselves Aerows Jul 2013 #167

Why isn't it exactly the same? kwassa Jul 2013 #170

Yes he did. Are_grits_groceries Jul 2013 #14

I don't see the part... allin99 Jul 2013 #23

This was the first scandal a few years ago Recursion Jul 2013 #153

link? allin99 Jul 2013 #155

I'm on a phone Google it Recursion Jul 2013 #157

i did, can't find it. allin99 Jul 2013 #158

Then see KW's thread Recursion Jul 2013 #163

his Twitter followers? tabbycat31 Jul 2013 #147

He sent it to women who hadn't asked him to Recursion Jul 2013 #150

i see only his accidental twitter post... allin99 Jul 2013 #152

Go back to the stories from a couple of years ago Recursion Jul 2013 #156

yeah but you know what MFM008 Jul 2013 #176

this... warrprayer Jul 2013 #4

what was with the dems freaking out on him, wasn't... allin99 Jul 2013 #6

Clarence Thomas and every other sexual deviant needs to be shown for what they are. Cleita Jul 2013 #8

I imagine many people wish to vote on a candidate based on lack of integrity and character LanternWaste Jul 2013 #77

He engaged in this behavior TM99 Jul 2013 #5

Some of the women have said they did not welcome his advances. Cleita Jul 2013 #9

They say NOW that they didn't welcome the advances... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2013 #15

He's still a perv IMHO. Cleita Jul 2013 #17

How did he KNOW they were women? nt Are_grits_groceries Jul 2013 #20

How did he know they weren't sixteen. boston bean Jul 2013 #68

+++ Whisp Jul 2013 #18

These women were not TM99 Jul 2013 #91

You don't have to be a child to be sexually victimized. Cleita Jul 2013 #95

You obviously have very strong feelings about this. TM99 Jul 2013 #104

yes he did send them unsolicited pics. Are_grits_groceries Jul 2013 #16

No, he chatted them up on political/non-sexual grounds geek tragedy Jul 2013 #35

Exactly, this is where he was randomly looking for victims. Cleita Jul 2013 #55

^^^this X1000^^^ opiate69 Jul 2013 #47

Thank you for the rational common sense LadyHawkAZ Jul 2013 #74

"Which brings me to Anthony Weiner." Please explain how? Did he grab your friend's tits too? Coyotl Jul 2013 #11

No, my friend is probably in her late sixties now. Cleita Jul 2013 #13

Who are you calling a flasher? Who are you calling a grabber? Coyotl Jul 2013 #21

this isn't the 1950s anymore quinnox Jul 2013 #19

Yes, welcome to the internet where even old ladies like me had to see Cleita Jul 2013 #24

There is tons of weird porn on the internet too quinnox Jul 2013 #33

I don't have to look at porn, because it keeps it's place on porn sites. I don't have Cleita Jul 2013 #37

Ok, But I think it is not something so shocking that quinnox Jul 2013 #44

It is especially when you aren't expecting it.eom Cleita Jul 2013 #46

The underwear pic got your goat? LadyHawkAZ Jul 2013 #100

Well, who needs it. I don't have to open an A&F catalog if I don't want to. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #101

I haven't opened an A&F catalog, ever LadyHawkAZ Jul 2013 #103

Who forced you to look at that picture? JVS Jul 2013 #50

You did. If you put it up without a warning. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #54

People also drink all kinds of alcoholic beverages. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #28

I remember the flashers from growing up and had it done truegrit44 Jul 2013 #125

Anthony Weiner is more like the kid who stole my bike Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #22

Was that kid naked? JoePhilly Jul 2013 #25

He liked ice cream Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #31

Naturally ... it was probably very hot. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #41

Weiner has a psychological disorder. He's addicted to this behavior. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #26

I agree. So is the raincoat flasher. It's a sickness, but like pedophilia I don't think Cleita Jul 2013 #34

Just like there's no cure for alcoholism. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #36

Duly noted, Dr. Frist. opiate69 Jul 2013 #102

So, you think he's decided online sex chats are more important than geek tragedy Jul 2013 #106

Or, he's a public figure going through the expected damage control ... opiate69 Jul 2013 #114

"Congressman Weiner departed this morning to seek professional treatment " geek tragedy Jul 2013 #115

Oh, to be young and naive... opiate69 Jul 2013 #124

That's not even an excuse... LadyHawkAZ Jul 2013 #126

She would have laughed TM99 Jul 2013 #128

Too true... guess I was trying to give the poor little guy an out opiate69 Jul 2013 #129

So, he's a liar and someone who's incapable of regulating his own behavior. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #127

ZOMG!!! Call the papers!! opiate69 Jul 2013 #132

"New York Shitty?" Pathetic comment. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #133

Yeah.. NYS.. get over it. opiate69 Jul 2013 #134

Ah, your upbringing in a cultural wasteland would explain geek tragedy Jul 2013 #135

Aw.. I was always told you New Yorkers had thick skin... opiate69 Jul 2013 #139

I've heard Seattle is a perfectly lovely mid-sized city. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #151

Size-queen!!! (jury, friendly ribbing...) opiate69 Jul 2013 #160

"Weiner sought professional help." geek tragedy Jul 2013 #110

You're probably right. He seems to have a serious, compulsive issue with this. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #175

I may be a little bit perverted. PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #30

Did you sext random women or people in general who weren't expecting it? Cleita Jul 2013 #32

exactly. PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #39

I only say pervert because it's a word a majority of people understand the meaning of. Cleita Jul 2013 #42

He would chat strange women up, talk politics and other innocuous geek tragedy Jul 2013 #38

So some of these ladies filed harrasment compaints? PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #49

There's no law against being a creepy asshole on the Internet. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #51

Some guys don't need a vibe. As a matter of fact they don't really like one. They Cleita Jul 2013 #52

I agree, he is a flasher who doesn't need the raincoat any more... Spazito Jul 2013 #40

Exactly, the smart phone is his raincoat that he can open and send anytime he wishes. eom Cleita Jul 2013 #43

Yep, and one he seems to use extensively... Spazito Jul 2013 #53

Flashers are much more than just flashers olddots Jul 2013 #56

According to the news he and Huma had been going to therapy. Cleita Jul 2013 #69

Isn't 'perversion' just deviance with a negative connotation? HereSince1628 Jul 2013 #63

Words are just a means of communication. If you want to attach some clinical Cleita Jul 2013 #67

IMHO Weiner is ill and darkangel218 Jul 2013 #65

Maybe not, if he's a fat, balding fifty year old guy with a mole on his nose. Cleita Jul 2013 #76

I wouldnt be so sure! darkangel218 Jul 2013 #86

The only thing stopping Weiner from flashing in the park... Orsino Jul 2013 #70

No, it's that he doesn't need to walk to the park anymore or go to the movie Cleita Jul 2013 #72

Ok WOW! whttevrr Jul 2013 #75

Please read what's going on and then get a clue.n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #78

Oh... whttevrr Jul 2013 #81

I think the word meant was "wouldn't" instead of "doesn't"... Orsino Jul 2013 #131

K&R MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #83

I said the same thing on DU a few days ago Skittles Jul 2013 #84

I'm no prude either. I'm very broad minded about sex, consensual sex, no matter how Cleita Jul 2013 #87

Damn. I'm sorry your friend's sister had to go through that all of the time. ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #89

And there were many of them. Cleita Jul 2013 #99

There is, quite likely, a fundamental difference. Stinky The Clown Jul 2013 #92

When did supposition become fact? whttevrr Jul 2013 #94

You must be new here LadyHawkAZ Jul 2013 #109

Yeah... I'm pretty new here... whttevrr Jul 2013 #111

You have my permission, for sure LadyHawkAZ Jul 2013 #112

Whew... whttevrr Jul 2013 #116

OMG!!! Get treatment RIGHT AWAY! LadyHawkAZ Jul 2013 #120

sigh... whttevrr Jul 2013 #123

Too many men have a sex obsession. There are support groups for that. Sarah Ibarruri Jul 2013 #97

What??? you blame the porn for Weiners behaviour?? darkangel218 Jul 2013 #113

Well yes... whttevrr Jul 2013 #119

jeezuz freaking christ. nt darkangel218 Jul 2013 #122

Porn fans behave like Charlton Heston - Sarah Ibarruri Jul 2013 #179

OMG... one_voice Jul 2013 #182

Yes, that's precisely what I said. Sarah Ibarruri Jul 2013 #178

. darkangel218 Jul 2013 #181

I view porn on a regular basis and I don't send pictures of my junk to women. Apophis Jul 2013 #189

Okay - 1) TMI... Sarah Ibarruri Jul 2013 #194

TMI? Apophis Jul 2013 #195

One of my wife's nieces got flashed at age 14. MineralMan Jul 2013 #107

We had one guy who would stand in cupola of a barn next to a busy route flamingdem Jul 2013 #118

Yeah, thats about how I see it also. DCBob Jul 2013 #141

I'm far from a prude but "Carlos Danger" and his weiner obsession make my skin crawl Catherina Jul 2013 #143

ah, there it is. allin99 Jul 2013 #168

There were others, that was just the one I had in my bookmarks. Catherina Jul 2013 #171

oh he won't, he's out in a few week. and i would just like to add, i called that guy for smarmy.... allin99 Jul 2013 #173

NO doubt about him being a pervert madokie Jul 2013 #148

I've been saying this for days malaise Jul 2013 #161

Infidelity isn't about rape. Flashers are a kind of rapist. It may not be physical but Cleita Jul 2013 #174

Pervert? 99Forever Jul 2013 #183

Which right wing site is that? Cleita Jul 2013 #184

Is there some part of holier-than-thou... 99Forever Jul 2013 #185

excuse this humble woman for having an opinion about what the Cleita Jul 2013 #186

Us? 99Forever Jul 2013 #187

hahaha Cleita Jul 2013 #188

I agree marions ghost Jul 2013 #190

Perversion is a radically right-wing concept. Weiner is an asshole... Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #191

I agree. So give us some better word. eom Cleita Jul 2013 #192

I think "piece of shit" or "asshole" is apt. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #193