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randome

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95. Manning has nothing to do with the NSA, which is the subject of the OP.

Fri Jul 26, 2013, 05:54 PM

Jul 2013

Snowden's 'treatment'? Really? The man who said "I am not here to hide from justice" from his 'undisclosed location' in Hong Kong? This is the man whose word you will take without evidence to back him up?

Secrecy? Let's have more transparency and less secrecy then. I have no problem with that. But that's not what the OP was about, either, is it? It's about unspecified horrors that no one -even Snowden, of all people- can tell us about.

I understand that some people need someone to believe in but it's a shame that basic facts are obtained before jumping onto the outrage parade.

What is the NSA doing that's illegal? So far as we know, nothing. If they are doing something illegal, identify it and rectify it. Case closed.
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Sen. Ron Wyden On NSA Spying: It's As Bad As Snowden Says [View all] xchrom Jul 2013 OP

K&R idwiyo Jul 2013 #1

"Senator Mark Udall and I tried again and again to get the executive branch to be straight..." chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #7

fuck that they should have blown the whistle elehhhhna Jul 2013 #110

K&R (n/t) bread_and_roses Jul 2013 #2

Kick And Recommend cantbeserious Jul 2013 #3

That racist, Obama-hater!!! MNBrewer Jul 2013 #4

Not only that, East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #5

If Congress wants to reign them in, they should do so. randome Jul 2013 #9

So the Democratic senator from Oregon is now Snowdon worshiping Grennwaldite, and should be ignored? Civilization2 Jul 2013 #15

I'm not 'defending' anything. I'm tired of people making vague claims. randome Jul 2013 #16

You do understand that Wyden cannot make anything other than vague claims, right? Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #20

Bingo! Vinnie From Indy Jul 2013 #24

Nailed that poster's MO bobduca Jul 2013 #64

Sneering is all they have. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2013 #79

Excuse me for going into work today! randome Jul 2013 #94

Use the google. Do a tiny bit of research. reusrename Jul 2013 #140

What would a 'doctoral thesis' have to do with reality? randome Jul 2013 #144

Everything that I've ever written about on this subject is real. reusrename Jul 2013 #145

The price for Wyden and Udall would be Progressive dog Jul 2013 #90

Times have changed. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #136

The torture of Bradlet Manning was done in a Marine corps prison Progressive dog Jul 2013 #143

You do understand the lack of evidence, right? randome Jul 2013 #93

Thank you, Warren S. n/t truedelphi Jul 2013 #109

"evidence" really? What planet are you currently living on?? Civilization2 Jul 2013 #28

+++++ marions ghost Jul 2013 #31

And presiding judge of the FISA court is Reggie Walton who LOVES the "State Secrets Privilege"... cascadiance Jul 2013 #34

Manning has nothing to do with the NSA, which is the subject of the OP. randome Jul 2013 #95

Yeah, "Snowden's 'treatment'", the revoking of his citizenship for the political act of leaking,. Civilization2 Jul 2013 #107

I'm pretty sure every American who steals national security documents... randome Jul 2013 #111

See Reply #28,. Civilization2 Jul 2013 #146

So you are attacking my Democratic Senator now. Usually it is just voting Democrats Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #43

Who is attacking anyone? randome Jul 2013 #96

How amusing, from someone who makes vague claims spooky3 Jul 2013 #46

I can't provide evidence of something I don't know about. randome Jul 2013 #97

LOL, Wow just,. WOW! You win the biggest hypocrite of the day award!!! Civilization2 Jul 2013 #103

I don't take offense. Ever. randome Jul 2013 #106

see post 107,. again you keep going to Snowden when this has little to do with him,. Civilization2 Jul 2013 #108

So you can't point to the evidence, then? I didn't think I was asking too much. randome Jul 2013 #132

how is nsa spying illegal? Dustin DeWinde Jul 2013 #139

Congress acts with speed: ProSense Jul 2013 #22

It's disturbing how comfortable you are being on the wrong side of this issue. n/t whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #27

It's "disturbing how comfortable you are" not dealing with reality. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #30

Hilarious! think Jul 2013 #51

But you were all over posting how horrible it was when Bush was doing it. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #73

That poster and her cohort have a long history of opposing Democrats elected in Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #45

Ludicrous. ProSense Jul 2013 #53

This has to be the greatest post of cognitive dissonance I've read on DU. morningfog Jul 2013 #74

Not legal lark Jul 2013 #86

Senators swear no secrets oath nt Progressive dog Jul 2013 #88

It's not a secret oath. dgibby Jul 2013 #100

No they do not swear an oath Progressive dog Jul 2013 #105

So once again you side wit Gov Christie and against Sen Wyden. IMO you are on the rhett o rick Jul 2013 #87

Senators on Intelligence Committee can make no difference Progressive dog Jul 2013 #92

Here is an OP about sides. The 1% vs. the 99%. Which side are you on? rhett o rick Jul 2013 #134

I put him (DR) on Ignore, finally, just this morning Demeter Jul 2013 #11

Oops....Another messenger to kill! LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #89

And Udal too zeemike Jul 2013 #23

Just another uninformed idiot bamboozled by randroids. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #6

Are you serious, or sarcastic? Demeter Jul 2013 #12

Poe's Law applies. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #19

Senator Wyden ProSense Jul 2013 #8

laughable LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #42

Ron Wyden is my Democratic Senator and fellow Oregonian. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #47

As usual, ProSense Jul 2013 #48

"you projecting" bobduca Jul 2013 #58

So, Jefferson23 Jul 2013 #10

k/r marmar Jul 2013 #13

k&r Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #14

Recommend... Looks like Snowden's Revelations are at least giving support KoKo Jul 2013 #17

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #18

Very recommended, that is eye-opening. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #21

We fix it now or there is no turning back... kentuck Jul 2013 #25

Wyden is a racist hater teabagger alex jonesssssss~~~~~!!@!!!! Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #26

knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #29

Thank you Ron Wyden and Oregon marions ghost Jul 2013 #32

Thanks, Senator Wyden, for catching that ball. toby jo Jul 2013 #33

Of course a BIG K&R for the truth! Something in short supply anymore. nt matthews Jul 2013 #35

K & R AzDar Jul 2013 #36

sadly the patriot act will never be repealed. Javaman Jul 2013 #37

new revolving door job opportunities xchrom Jul 2013 #38

It will be... Javaman Jul 2013 #39

indeed. nt xchrom Jul 2013 #41

The State Security Apparatus is a Bush Junta welfare program for redneck merc-types Coyotl Jul 2013 #62

You summed it perfectly. Welfare for the repuke well connected. nt Javaman Jul 2013 #69

Carefully filtered good Christian soldiers who never question authority Coyotl Jul 2013 #71

knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #40

Ed Snowden - Robert Lady. Compare and contrast. Lugal Zaggesi Jul 2013 #44

K & R deurbano Jul 2013 #49

K&R K&R K&R nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #50

Kick & rec for the potted plants.... think Jul 2013 #52

Of course it is. Our government isn't losing its mind & masks coming off for the fun of it Catherina Jul 2013 #54

+1 xchrom Jul 2013 #56

A good liberal Senator on the Intelligence Committee is telling us LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #55

^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^ +1000000000000000 Coyotl Jul 2013 #63

Why doesnt Wyden break the law and join Greenwald in Brazil!?!?! bobduca Jul 2013 #65

He's doing exactly what he's supposed to be doing, which is LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #72

"I'm on this site because I support Democrats! Wait -- what party is Wyden again!?" villager Jul 2013 #57

Sarcasm? whttevrr Jul 2013 #59

Exactly so. villager Jul 2013 #60

K&R MuseRider Jul 2013 #61

knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #66

Wyden never really loved him. joeybee12 Jul 2013 #67

Let's see how the shills spin this. Apophis Jul 2013 #68

these posts are like kryptonite to the naysayers.. frylock Jul 2013 #78

They're the same type of people who were against this when Bush did it. Apophis Jul 2013 #85

Clearly Senator Wyden never loved the President and instead is a secret Alex Jones follower. Hong Kong Cavalier Jul 2013 #70

These days, sadly you do need a sarcasm tag :( Hydra Jul 2013 #80

Ron Wyden is nothing more than a Republican posing as a Democrat. QC Jul 2013 #75

I was waiting for that. LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #76

Wyden: "While I have your attention... railsback Jul 2013 #77

Well, since the issue is NSA surveillance and not Medicare Maedhros Jul 2013 #81

Is it now railsback Jul 2013 #82

I have had my disagreements with Wyden in the past, including on the Medicare issue you mentioned. Maedhros Jul 2013 #91

It doesn't matter. The parameters have been set in stone. railsback Jul 2013 #98

So about that Chained CPI.... Pholus Jul 2013 #104

What about the Chained CPI? railsback Jul 2013 #113

Post 98. nt Pholus Jul 2013 #133

Oh look! Diversion! neverforget Jul 2013 #112

Yes, never mind the Wyden guy behind the curtain railsback Jul 2013 #114

Never mind my Senator doing his job. neverforget Jul 2013 #115

Trying to kill Medicare railsback Jul 2013 #116

Diversion. Thanks for playing. neverforget Jul 2013 #117

Yes, its like Ted Bundy opening a shelter for orphaned children railsback Jul 2013 #118

You're unhinged neverforget Jul 2013 #120

Just look away railsback Jul 2013 #121

Look in the mirror. neverforget Jul 2013 #122

Desiring to throw the elderly to the wolves and thinking its a good idea railsback Jul 2013 #123

How about Obama's Chained CPI proposal? Does the same thing. neverforget Jul 2013 #124

Obama has ALWAYS said he never liked the idea railsback Jul 2013 #125

Lol. If he doesn't believe it then why propose it? neverforget Jul 2013 #127

I just told you railsback Jul 2013 #129

So he hates it so much that he proposed it in his budget because the Republicans neverforget Jul 2013 #130

Wow, thanks! 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #83

Don't you sometimes wonder how much more effective Peacetrain Jul 2013 #84

What has happened when others acted as you prescribe? TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #99

I really do not give a hairy damn what you believe Peacetrain Jul 2013 #102

Only the clairvoyance required to put together when one flips the switch they want the light on TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #141

Well Kentuck.. I can't spar with you today Peacetrain Jul 2013 #142

Kentuck is another good soul that I think of as a friend online but he is quite distinct TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #147

+1 woo me with science Jul 2013 #119

+1000 darkangel218 Jul 2013 #128

Wyden is my Senator and he has earned my vote come re-election time. JEB Jul 2013 #101

K&R x darkangel218 Jul 2013 #126

K&R n/t myrna minx Jul 2013 #131

K&R JDPriestly Jul 2013 #135

Well, there goes Wyden under the bus.... blackspade Jul 2013 #137

. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #138