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10. K & R !!!

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A Shameful Day to Be a US Citizen [View all] Segami Jul 2013 OP

K&R forestpath Jul 2013 #1

K&R woo me with science Jul 2013 #2

Well, he could use the "I promised not to take Wall Street criminals to jail" route. Promise kept. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #3

"..We should not have to also endure yet another kangaroo court trial,... Segami Jul 2013 #4

That is what this brouhaha is all about in the first place. RC Jul 2013 #126

Recommend. KoKo Jul 2013 #5

Shame is the best face to put on this America. JEB Jul 2013 #6

Almost every day is a shameful day to be a US citizen for the past 25 years or so. n/t Triana Jul 2013 #7

yep heaven05 Jul 2013 #15

True. SammyWinstonJack Jul 2013 #66

+Infinity! - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #95

Just because Snowden says so? treestar Jul 2013 #8

wow,. love it or leave it, eh. How about CARE about what it does in your name? Civilization2 Jul 2013 #14

Right wingers said that when we did not support the war treestar Jul 2013 #58

This is what John2 Jul 2013 #18

"We have nothing to be ashamed of here." I give you, especially, Exhibits A and B: WinkyDink Jul 2013 #27

So I post some photos of people jumping out of the towers treestar Jul 2013 #57

Because the Eight Amendment to our Constitution JDPriestly Jul 2013 #94

+1000 LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #91

While I generally agree with you, 7962 Jul 2013 #41

We do have a mixed history treestar Jul 2013 #63

No. Our own government created the situation and set it up. The whole kit and kaboodle. RC Jul 2013 #127

Noting to be ashamed of? Are you kidding me? totodeinhere Jul 2013 #53

This was about one issue and you've thrown in several treestar Jul 2013 #56

This thread is about a shameful day to be a US citizen, yet you want to compare us to Russia. totodeinhere Jul 2013 #62

Pretty much every country has much to be ashamed of treestar Jul 2013 #65

Makes up claims he will be tortured? My aren't you a trusting soul. totodeinhere Jul 2013 #70

That Snowden will be tortured meme is gettiing stale. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #75

And was the treatment of Manning as outlined by the special rapporteur alright with you? totodeinhere Jul 2013 #84

Thankyou LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #93

What part of Manning is military and Snowden isn't don't Progressive dog Jul 2013 #144

When people join the military they don't give up their human rights. Human rights totodeinhere Jul 2013 #156

They give up rights in every military everywhere. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #157

The US government should be ashamed for tracking our metadata and storing other data that JDPriestly Jul 2013 #96

Except that for decades we bragged to the world about our civil rights record, JDPriestly Jul 2013 #92

Wow Octoberfurst Jul 2013 #119

Let me just say NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #120

Absolutely ridiculous ProSense Jul 2013 #9

The SHAME comes from America having to make the claim "we will not kill or torture our citizen",. . Civilization2 Jul 2013 #12

Snowden said he would be tortured. He's lying Recursion Jul 2013 #132

Perfectly stated. nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #16

Really? zeemike Jul 2013 #19

As usual, missing the point entirely. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #42

How do we know that those aren't assurances that have been previously negotiated? MADem Jul 2013 #79

Because Obama's popularity would tank in time if he obtained extradition of Snowden. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #97

I think that remains to be seen. Opinion is shifting. MADem Jul 2013 #98

I suspect that even more to the point is that Putin is... TreasonousBastard Jul 2013 #116

Why wouldn't they milk it? Because revenge is a dish best served cold. MADem Jul 2013 #140

Didn't miss it I'm sure, just purposefully chose to ignore it NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Jul 2013 #130

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #10

We've had so many shameful days since 9/11 it's hard to calculate the damage done sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #11

For a while there in 2008, I had some "hope" for "change", bvar22 Jul 2013 #72

So did we all ... sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #76

Another one who had hope... DissidentVoice Jul 2013 #112

I doubt it's so sinister Tab Jul 2013 #13

I'm sure your analysis of Holder's motives is correct. Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #17

What does he know John2 Jul 2013 #20

It's that...what more does he have..and paparush Jul 2013 #61

its that kardonb Jul 2013 #71

"Dissent will not be tolerated" marions ghost Jul 2013 #87

It is ONLY to send a message to future whistle blowers usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #90

Did Snowden admit to stealing classified information? SCVDem Jul 2013 #21

If the U.S. Government broke John2 Jul 2013 #24

Aah, a majority were also "offended" before! Segami Jul 2013 #31

Because before, SCVDem Jul 2013 #69

Yes, I remember being one of them. JoeyT Jul 2013 #83

No Caretha Jul 2013 #89

The point is that America should not have to promise not to torture its own citizens Jamastiene Jul 2013 #105

when did this become about whether snowden 'was telling the truth'? pasto76 Jul 2013 #22

Transparency lofty1 Jul 2013 #59

Eric Holder is, in a word, evil. A poison pill in the O. Admin. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #23

Much of my life i heard the line 'it's the friends you have' nolabels Jul 2013 #124

...wingers say the same, many ignore both uponit7771 Jul 2013 #125

Feel free. My LEFT-wing credibility is well-established in the real world. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #150

k&r thanks for posting. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #25

People that keep harping on this statement from Holder are either completely disingenuous tritsofme Jul 2013 #26

The President needs John2 Jul 2013 #33

+1000 Segami Jul 2013 #35

It's downright creepy. Imagine if your wedding vows were spoken like this> BlueJazz Jul 2013 #28

I guess we have to impeach Obama.. Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #29

No, that is John2 Jul 2013 #38

No one disagrees we need a change and Obama has not been nearly as strong as I would Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #50

No, he did not. RC Jul 2013 #128

No. NOT the GOVERNMENT, NOT OBAMA! IMPEACH THE F'ing 1% FASCISTS! cascadiance Jul 2013 #48

Snowden is a TRAITOR ! penndragon69 Jul 2013 #30

Right Penn and Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #32

This is the business we've chosen OmahaBlueDog Jul 2013 #37

You mean the John2 Jul 2013 #40

If another terrorist attack happens, it won't be because of a single leak. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #47

Nothing new? HOW sir, would you sue the government without the documents he released? cascadiance Jul 2013 #54

That is the same thing that the "Royalists" said back in 1776. bvar22 Jul 2013 #73

OT (somewhat), but your post reminded me of a funny joke I once heard. Seems HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #99

Yes, shameful, but I am mostly neutral on Snowden himself, and I have an observation... Maineman Jul 2013 #34

If he had showed evidence of illegality or abuse, I would agree with you. randome Jul 2013 #86

You have had all the things that he has revealed spelled out for you Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #100

I agree with those posters who say that this is simply diplomatic rhetoric. searchingforlight Jul 2013 #36

We were shameful from Day One. Our beloved founders owned slaves. randome Jul 2013 #88

Sham followed by shame over and over again. I am reminded of another shameful day. sgtbenobo Jul 2013 #39

Bravo! And Carolina Jul 2013 #136

Thats funny because if he was a Russian he'd be sent off with the Pussy riot girls... Historic NY Jul 2013 #43

This is shameful, but not just for this instance... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #44

I'm sure Holder left an out for the U.S. AndyA Jul 2013 #45

hopefully it will be enough to convince them to extradite him arely staircase Jul 2013 #46

Um, will that happen before or after Bush and Cheney have HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #101

one does not, nor should not, depend on the other nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #103

Well, Holder says 'torture is unlawful' but self-admitted torturers are HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #104

torturers should be prosecuted, agreed arely staircase Jul 2013 #106

Missing the point. Can't say torture is 'unlawful' as a reason to HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #107

president obama ended bushs torture program in 2009 arely staircase Jul 2013 #133

Who will pay for the crimes of our government, Snowden has exposed? RC Jul 2013 #129

Snowden hasn't exposed any crimes arely staircase Jul 2013 #137

bruahahahahahahaha... RC Jul 2013 #139

what crimes then did he expose? arely staircase Jul 2013 #141

Because our government says it is legal, though operating almost in total secret, it is OK with you? RC Jul 2013 #142

so you can't name a single statute that has been violated? arely staircase Jul 2013 #143

I posted a section of the supreme law of the land, from the United States Constitution and RC Jul 2013 #146

And I referenced Art. 3 of the Contitution and Marbury v. Madison which say the courts, not you make arely staircase Jul 2013 #148

How would you know? After all, the relevant laws are SECRET! nt Pholus Jul 2013 #151

I take "exposed" to mean made public. nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #152

You still can't claim you have knowledge of what is legal and what isn't. Pholus Jul 2013 #153

I defer to statute and case law and common law. nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #154

Then you apparently are not paying attention. nt Pholus Jul 2013 #155

No, it's not. Chan790 Jul 2013 #49

Excellent article. Thank you n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #51

Because Bush did torture Americans malaise Jul 2013 #52

Don't forget Bradley Manning who was tortured according to the UN. n/t totodeinhere Jul 2013 #55

True malaise Jul 2013 #60

K&R midnight Jul 2013 #64

K&R I'm ashamed and "concerned and disappointed". The last 2 words snappyturtle Jul 2013 #67

When George W Bush's slick lawyers justified water boarding Hubert Flottz Jul 2013 #68

So embarrassing truebluegreen Jul 2013 #74

K&R MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #77

how far we have fallen. nt Javaman Jul 2013 #78

Seriously...it was embarassing to this DU'er who grew up.. KoKo Jul 2013 #80

Indeed a shame, adding to a very tblue Jul 2013 #81

Bleh. You're comparing Holder's assurances re: death penalty and torture to Hanoi Christmas bombingo Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #82

I'd say it's a safe bet that Russia has much more to be ashamed of. randome Jul 2013 #85

This is the same Holder who declined to prosecute Bush and Cheney for HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #102

And that matters because....? Recursion Jul 2013 #135

Holder's letter to Putin says Snowden won't be tortured because torture HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #138

Meh. That's way too much of a stretch for me Recursion Jul 2013 #145

After Abu Ghraib, waterboarding and extraordinary renditions, the U.S. has HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #147

How would you feel if he had promised not to beat his wife when falsely accused of doing so? Hekate Jul 2013 #108

Ashamed of my Government? 1awake Jul 2013 #109

Here, this will help you catch up. RC Jul 2013 #134

Great post. K&R NealK Jul 2013 #110

Fucking embarrassing GlashFordan Jul 2013 #111

I don't know why we would negotiate at all he is a traitor. 4bucksagallon Jul 2013 #113

Everything Holder says has gigantic loopholes in it.... truth2power Jul 2013 #114

It's a shameful day alright...nt greytdemocrat Jul 2013 #115

Well said. blackspade Jul 2013 #117

Snowden says he will be tortured and executed if he's extradited Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #118

+1000. This "I'm ashamed" stuff CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #149

DURec leftstreet Jul 2013 #122

Holder is the laughing stock of Wallstreet and the banksters. The shame is that he was selected... L0oniX Jul 2013 #123

Yes, standing up against torture is shameful. Cheney was totally right! Torture is awesome Recursion Jul 2013 #131