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Showing Original Post only (View all)Greenwald’s Outrage Sandwich: NSA Analysts Can Analyze NSA Intelligence [View all]
http://thedailybanter.com/2013/07/greenwalds-shocking-bombshell-nsa-analysts-can-analyze-intel-collected-by-the-nsa/Greenwalds Shocking Bombshell: NSA Analysts Can Analyze NSA Intelligence
by Bob Cesca
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It gets sillier. The following Greenwald statement could be referred to as an outrage sandwich: two outrageous claims surrounding a throw-away mention of delicious, meaty truth that mitigates the outrageousness of the two claims.
Its done with no need to go to court, no need to get approval. There are legal constraints for spying on Americans, you cant target them without going to the FISA court. But it allows them to listen to whatever e-mails they want, telephone calls, browsing history, Microsoft Word documents.
Put another way: No need for court oversight! (But theres court oversight and warrants.) They can listen to whatever they want! In the midst of inciting outrage, these mitigating news blips manage to pop up in nearly every article. But the blips are considerably out-gunned by all of the bloated hyperbole preceding and following each one.
Whenever the government determines theres probable cause for targeting American citizens or U.S. persons with surveillance, requests are submitted to the Foreign Intelligence Court (FISC or FISA Court) and warrants are issued. This is standard operating procedure as sanctioned by Congress. Warrants are likely the policy protections that Snowden hedged about in his online Q&A. But the hyperbole has led many Americans, and even members of Congress, to believe that NSA is eavesdropping on all of us without cause or judicial oversight.
In other words, what Snowden said in his Hong Kong video interview about his authorities to read the presidents email apparently had to do with his illegal, extrajudicial ability to do so. Snowden and others could evidently use this software (to be revealed this week) to hack into the presidents email, for example. Yet these analysts would be doing it outside the purview of American law since the president is an American citizen and targeting him for eavesdropping requires a warrant as well as this mysterious technical protection or filter (maybe Greenwald will tell us about the filter, but Im not holding my breath). Likewise, NSA analysts must attain warrants and surmount the mystery filter in order to listen to your calls or to read your emails; not unlike various legal requirements that any law enforcement official must satisfy. Its sad that we have to remind Greenwalds disciples that from low-level deputies on up, the law requires similar orders in order to conduct a search, per the Fourth Amendment, and those orders can only be attained if theres a suspicion that an American citizen might be breaking the law.
But youll never hear it described this way by Glenn Greenwald because it renders his bombshells impotent.
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flamingdem
Jul 2013
OP
Edward Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of news that Tyranny is coming!
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jul 2013
#1
speak for yourself & I believe the word you're looking for is P A T R I O T
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jul 2013
#85
So your hypothesis is that the Chamber of Commerce is worried about hurting Obama and Democrats?
last1standing
Jul 2013
#35
Intaglio is from the UK, you know, home of the International Chamber of Commerce.
Divernan
Jul 2013
#24
I understand. I was pointing out there is an international chamber of commerce, as well.
Divernan
Jul 2013
#37
So your entire ability to contribute in this thread is to intimate others are paid trolls >>>
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#71
So instead of having the guts to call someone a troll outright, you post a link to do the same?
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#64
Amazing. The OP distracts from the issues and you distract when the distraction is called out.
last1standing
Jul 2013
#66
It's a cowardly thing to accuse someone of being a troll indirectly. Offering no argument. It says
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#69
What exactly am I posting last1stand? Hm? What am I posting? I do NOT support the NSA overreach.
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#74
PLEASE, stop calling your fellow DUers names, simply because they disagree with you.
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jul 2013
#90
And the FBI is going through your garbage right now! Hurry! You can catch them!
randome
Jul 2013
#41
Journalists write books about the stories they cover. (Woodward and Bernstein?)
deurbano
Jul 2013
#127
I'd be wasting my time to suggest you stop attacking other DUers and try focusing on the issues?
Violet_Crumble
Jul 2013
#20
I guess they wanted to show off how they can click on a profile link...
Violet_Crumble
Jul 2013
#110
Wow, you are quite the sleuth. You've determined 2 DU'ers are from abroad and coyly intimate they
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#65
Yeah, I kind of picked up on the pro-NSA shill bit. It was pretty amusing...
Violet_Crumble
Jul 2013
#111
Actually the only issue is whether its legal and a useful tool for law enforcement.
DCBob
Jul 2013
#42
To be entirely fair, a couple of those don't seem to be about Glennward Snowwald
Fumesucker
Jul 2013
#31
Who the heck are you to call anyone a noob? BTW, where's the list of Catherina's posts?
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#67
Why? You and your small, obnoxious clique are the ones involved in a witch hunt.
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#70
But her list is composed of at least a few bogus stories. So there is a difference.
randome
Jul 2013
#79
"I honestly thought you were beginning to understand how the system works."
AverageJoe90
Jul 2013
#109