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In reply to the discussion: Dear supporters of Hillary Clinton 2016.... [View all]UTUSN
(77,795 posts)When I didn't know who Bill was in the '92 early primaries, I picked him as a stand out and committed. As the scandals popped up I dismissed them as dirty Wingnut tricks and vociferously defended him and even more with the FAKE impeachment. But after the dust settled, the magnitude of his real problem became clear: Not the sex, but that he put his selfish appetites ahead of our Dem agenda, putting us in the position of spending most of our energies in defending him instead of our spending them on working toward the actual agenda.
But in '08 I was totally Hillary until it was clear she had lost. At first I saw OBAMA as an upstart and not having paid enough dues and empty rhetoric and cult. But when THAT dust settled, I saw that she ran a totally INSIDE the box campaign, threw away millions on stale, establishment p.r. dudes (mismanagement), and was totally outmaneuvered. I've only been to four political rallies in my life, two of those for women candidates and one for Teresa KERRY, and I saw her TIRED in '08. Then I was thrilled when OBAMA picked her for SoS and thrilled to see them together. But through most of the four years, I liked hearing (and hearing and hearing) what a great SoS job she was doing, until I stopped for a second to process, "What, exactly, has she actually accomplished besides just flying and flying and flying around?!1 No big negotiations, no treaties, no nothing except flying and photo ops." Then the FAKE Benghazi Wingnut trap was sprung, and it wasn't about Benghazi but rather about how unprepared she was to deal with the Wingnut trap and skipped out.
So what I see about Hillary is that she's been hyped for supposedly being smart, yet her actual accomplishments are will-o'wisps, and at the same time she is a HUGH!1 target for Wingnuts to pillory. Pillory/Hillary is her name. It should go without saying that if she is the nominee, I'll be there. Again. My favorite pic:
