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In reply to the discussion: I have a quiz for my fellow DUers... how many riots happen when a Bible is burned? [View all]yurbud
(39,405 posts)53. I'm curious--what was the response you were looking for? Maybe we can agree on some things:
That Muslim extremists are bad?
I don't think you'd get any argument about that here.
The real issue is therefore WHAT?
Issues we might agree on:
- Therefore, do not support regimes that are and export religious extremists. That should apply at LEAST as much to Saudi Arabia that gave hundreds of millions to al Qaeda before 9/11 and who the Joint Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 found gave financial support and shepherded a couple of the 9/11 hijackers up until the attacks.
- Do not use religious extremists as foreign policy proxies like we did in Afghanistan in the 80's, the Balkans in the 90's, and at least during the Bush years (and maybe still now under Obama) we did to harass Iran (using Sunni extremists to harass Shi'ite extremists).
Issues where we might disagree:
- Is it worse or any different if a fundamentalist Christian takes over a country and passes a law calling for the execution of gays as happens in fundamentalist Iran? Or if fundamentalist Jews in Israel are part of the political process even though some think the Palestinians are the people God told them to exterminate to take possession of the land of Canaan he had promised them?
- Do you think the social and political forces that are driving some Muslims to fundamentalism are the same as those driving Christians and Jews to fundamentalism as well?
- Is there a standard for appropriate and inappropriate involvement of religion in politics that you would apply equally to all religions?
- Is religion ever the excuse for political violence rather than the motive? Do you think the Catholic Spaniards and Portuguese who conquered South America and the mostly Protestant English, Dutch, and Germans who conquered North America were primarily concerned with spreading Christianity rather than getting their hands on some real estate, natural resources, and cheap to slave labor?
Even if we ultimately disagree about the issues in the second set of questions even talking about them would move the discussion from fear-mongering toward realistic solutions and policies.
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I have a quiz for my fellow DUers... how many riots happen when a Bible is burned? [View all]
Zalatix
Feb 2012
OP
Lots of whining and griping about burning flags, but no riots. At least nothing recently.
Zalatix
Feb 2012
#15
In an area where there is so much suffering and death ... justified by many, still, with
polly7
Feb 2012
#6
Better yet. Let's have a muslim army burn them in Mississippi and find out. n/t
Bonhomme Richard
Feb 2012
#12
A Muslim army wouldn't have been allowed on American soil. Americans shouldn't be in the ME.
Zalatix
Feb 2012
#34
How many Christian nations have been bombed, invaded, and occupied by Islamic countries?
Hugabear
Feb 2012
#21
How many Islamic countries have the capability to bomb, etc. a Christian country?
former9thward
Feb 2012
#76
I double dare you to come here and stand in front of our largest Baptist church
sinkingfeeling
Feb 2012
#48
Absolutely. What kind of mass insanity virus has infected Westboro Baptist Church, anyway?
Zalatix
Feb 2012
#41
I dunno. How many beatles records got burned when Lennon "insulted" jesus? n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Feb 2012
#40
I can remember mini riots and record burnings when John Lennon said the Beattles were
Bandit
Feb 2012
#42
I'm curious--what was the response you were looking for? Maybe we can agree on some things:
yurbud
Feb 2012
#53
I feel it's wrong and hypocritical to blame people who burn bibles for the violence in the ME
Zalatix
Feb 2012
#58
I am not blaming the Westboro people for anything though they make asses of themselves
yurbud
Feb 2012
#60
Not sure what use it is when people think this is about "Christianity > Muslim", BUT...
Zalatix
Feb 2012
#81
John Lennon said,at the beginning of Beatles' fame in the US that they were more popular than Christ
Judi Lynn
Feb 2012
#56
If the country where the bible was burned, was being violently occupied by the bible-burners
Bluerthanblue
Feb 2012
#67