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30. Which point of Snowden's is relevant here?

Fri Aug 9, 2013, 06:25 PM

Aug 2013

The 'fact' that he could spy on anyone if he chose?

The 'fact' that 'direct access' meant the NSA was 'hoovering up the Internet'?

The 'fact' that the NSA is 'watching our thoughts form as we type?

Obama started this process in May, before the world heard of Snowden.

Makes me wonder if Snowden didn't somehow know this was coming and that 'inspired' him to run after stealing everything he could get his hands on. Which, as it turns out, wasn't much.

He is where he wants to be now -a recluse far away from the people he never felt he measured up to.
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Obama Proves Snowden�s Point [View all] WillyT Aug 2013 OP

Obama was calling for more disclosure and reforms before Snowden commited his crimes. phleshdef Aug 2013 #1

January 2009 To May 2013 Link Please ??? WillyT Aug 2013 #3

Sure no problem. phleshdef Aug 2013 #9

"so we can intercept new types of communication" zeemike Aug 2013 #25

That was only 2 months ago. It takes time to put together and roll out policy changes. phleshdef Aug 2013 #29

Two months ago? zeemike Aug 2013 #34

Um. No. You misunderstand what I'm talking about. phleshdef Aug 2013 #35

snowden's information was in the guardian in may--by my reckoning,some three months ago. niyad Aug 2013 #37

Thank you for that information zeemike Aug 2013 #39

FALSE! If you're looking to bash Obama and Democrats, at least get your facts correct.... George II Aug 2013 #71

all I am doing is pointing out when the article was published. please cite where I am trashing niyad Aug 2013 #81

but that's just it, niyad Skittles Aug 2013 #148

you are correct. the responses in this thread have been truly depressing. niyad Aug 2013 #157

I am looking to get reforms. This bullshit has been going on since Obama took office. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #110

I couldn't have said it better... truth2power Aug 2013 #139

Sorry, but Obama, or ANY President, doesn't have the power to repeal the Patriot Act or......... George II Aug 2013 #162

I am not sure exactly what Obama said as a candidate but he didnt support the Patriot Act. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #163

They should end the FISA Court and require the NSA to go to ordinary JDPriestly Aug 2013 #38

Good ideas. Never happen. THe Powers to be are not going to give up their powers. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #111

that was on may 23, three days AFTER snowden's disclosures frylock Aug 2013 #66

Interesting, chervilant Aug 2013 #133

Words...where are the actions and the press releases showing movement? dkf Aug 2013 #11

Probably the same place you left your adult sense of patience... phleshdef Aug 2013 #27

Lol. How hard is it to stop doing something? dkf Aug 2013 #54

fuck that shit frylock Aug 2013 #64

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #83

You know, I haven't even engaged in any thrust-and-parry with you Maedhros Aug 2013 #89

Good. phleshdef Aug 2013 #90

asshat and proud? amazing Civilization2 Aug 2013 #96

It was in the context of enacting policies suggested 2 months ago, not 5 years ago. phleshdef Aug 2013 #98

What's your problem? tblue Aug 2013 #97

Ad hominem fallacy sulphurdunn Aug 2013 #58

Do you even know what ad hominem means? phleshdef Aug 2013 #84

firedoglake blah blah don't expect honesty blah blah...ad hominem. reusrename Aug 2013 #87

Well done. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #88

Ok, so I guess you would defend Fox News when similar attacks are made against that network? phleshdef Aug 2013 #99

If I was defending anyone, it was sulphurdunn. reusrename Aug 2013 #102

It isn't a defense of FOX NEWS sulphurdunn Aug 2013 #126

Attacking ones opponent's character, like you did with FDL. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #113

Yes, a good example is your question. sulphurdunn Aug 2013 #125

it's one of their pet themes Skittles Aug 2013 #149

I tend to puke when I hear PURE BULLSHIT. DeSwiss Aug 2013 #100

Oddly enough calling for more disclosure while overseeing secret American policies sure does seem... AppleBottom Aug 2013 #106

Yep, it's total BS. Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #120

Yes and he once said he wanted the Patriot Act repealed. What's your point? nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #108

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2013 #156

PRECISELY. Th1onein Aug 2013 #2

The President answered that question today. phleshdef Aug 2013 #10

And is he king such that he is allowed to make this decision for us all? dkf Aug 2013 #12

What the hell are you on about? phleshdef Aug 2013 #13

It doesn't matter if he is comfortable with the program and the secrecy. dkf Aug 2013 #15

Did you misread what he said on purpose or by accident? phleshdef Aug 2013 #17

Oh I get it exactly. dkf Aug 2013 #18

Hasn't come clean about what??? phleshdef Aug 2013 #22

you know what is funny? arely staircase Aug 2013 #31

You are laughing at yourself perhaps? dkf Aug 2013 #72

I am sure you worked your ass off for him. nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #75

YOU NEVER LOVED HIM ANYWAY! LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #127

Thanks. I have to say I haven't lost confidence in him. I'm PROUD of the job he's doing as President George II Aug 2013 #165

Um. He's the guy we elected to make decisions for us. randome Aug 2013 #33

blind trust is frightening RetroLounge Aug 2013 #92

Agreed. But I was speaking to the point that Obama has no right to make decisions for us. randome Aug 2013 #104

I guess you need to read up on the powers of the President, huh? George II Aug 2013 #76

Yes, he did. And he reiterated that there have been no instances of wrongdoing/abuse. millennialmax Aug 2013 #19

You are desperate? trying to get any kind of an idea? truebluegreen Aug 2013 #47

BAZINGA! HangOnKids Aug 2013 #57

Conversely, you have no evidence that there HAS been. CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #62

Well, my goodness! chervilant Aug 2013 #140

The FISC ruled in October 2011 that aspects of NSA data collection were unconstitutional muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #67

"I've been desperately trying to get an idea of why people are so angry about this" George II Aug 2013 #77

Please do not confuse our main worry with yours. nt Pholus Aug 2013 #121

You're joking, right. bvar22 Aug 2013 #143

It's a bit late to try to convince the American people that Daddy Knows Best and all JDPriestly Aug 2013 #40

Snowden has thousands of documents that go beyond any domestic related concerns... phleshdef Aug 2013 #45

Excuse Me... But How Do You Know That ??? WillyT Aug 2013 #53

He took those documents to wherever HangOnKids Aug 2013 #60

We've always been at war with East Wherever LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #128

It is painfully sad HangOnKids Aug 2013 #134

Well, how NICE of him! It's bullshit. Th1onein Aug 2013 #107

"I am comfortable that the program currently is not being abused." That is pure rhetoric. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #114

K & R ~ nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #4

Obama: �I Don�t Think Mr. Snowden Was A Patriot� ProSense Aug 2013 #5

meanwhile as the bodies of women and kids killed by US drones pile up...look over there snowden nt msongs Aug 2013 #7

Tell it to the Press Corps - THEY asked the questions. CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #63

puke RetroLounge Aug 2013 #93

Obama looks worse the more you post that. nt Union Scribe Aug 2013 #130

Edward Snowden leaked information because Greenwald told him to Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #6

Are you claiming to have secret information about the conversations between Snowden and JDPriestly Aug 2013 #48

Link? DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #49

Obama told us beore we elected him that the people would have to hold his feet to the fire notadmblnd Aug 2013 #8

yes questionseverything Aug 2013 #146

Exactly. Snowden has done a service to this country LittleBlue Aug 2013 #14

And, he is still no patriot and a coward. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #124

Watch the foot dragging he'll do... 99Forever Aug 2013 #16

Now, now. bvar22 Aug 2013 #23

And, of course, the panel will meet in secret Maedhros Aug 2013 #28

....and "The Commission" will be composed of Hard Core Republicans... bvar22 Aug 2013 #42

...and the next President will abuse the program more than the current one.[n/t] Maedhros Aug 2013 #43

The NEXT President has a good chance of being a Republican, bvar22 Aug 2013 #44

Precisely. McCain and Lindsay Graham are waiting in the wings. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #52

I'm thinking Jeb Bush/Graham. bvar22 Aug 2013 #55

I am thinking Gov Christie unless he switches parties. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #115

What you are suggesting is becoming more plausible with each day. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #116

Have you ever read Dune by Frank Herbert? Maedhros Aug 2013 #86

WTF?!! I've read it a number of times and find it interesting that you are TWISTING Ecumenist Aug 2013 #101

We change figureheads at the helm Maedhros Aug 2013 #112

OH BULLSHIT!! Look, Obama may not be perfect but he's LIGHT YEARS better than that idiot Ecumenist Aug 2013 #117

In some areas, Foreign Policy under Obama is much WORSE than under Bush. bvar22 Aug 2013 #145

Don't forget the Stuxnet attack on Iran. Maedhros Aug 2013 #150

Speaking of reading... chervilant Aug 2013 #138

Never read Dune, bvar22 Aug 2013 #144

The novel is far and away better that the film. Maedhros Aug 2013 #151

that will come after they scapegoat progressives for "not voting" frylock Aug 2013 #109

You know, we Democrats must always be bi-partisan, after all deutsey Aug 2013 #132

I don't think Simpson and Bowles are doing anything right now. zeemike Aug 2013 #32

Love it. The "Greatest Accomplishments list." JDPriestly Aug 2013 #50

as long as we can "blue link" to it in 500 threads we can call it an accomplishment RetroLounge Aug 2013 #94

Du rec. Nt xchrom Aug 2013 #20

A commission of experts sounds fancy. Octafish Aug 2013 #21

A MoPaul classic HangOnKids Aug 2013 #61

Well at least there are a bunch of new people calling Obama a liar no matter what. Turbineguy Aug 2013 #24

No matter what? truebluegreen Aug 2013 #51

even before snowden? nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #26

Which point of Snowden's is relevant here? randome Aug 2013 #30

K&R. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #36

Another good one, Willy T! GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #41

Thanks !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #46

"Imprecision" is Obama-speak for lie. Divernan Aug 2013 #56

K&R forestpath Aug 2013 #59

Do not look at that man behind the curtain. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #65

as obama said, "we were going to do these reforms all along! yeah, that's the ticket!" unblock Aug 2013 #68

It's called "damage control". First, "We dont spy on Americans. We arent doing anything bad." rhett o rick Aug 2013 #142

It's like Homer Simpson hiding his gun from Marge in "The Cartridge Family" episode. Maedhros Aug 2013 #152

No! Obama didn't "prove Snowden's point" - Snowden didn't HAVE a point except......... George II Aug 2013 #69

LOL !!! - Yeah... A Gutless Coward That Somehow Caused The POTUS To Explain Himself In Front.. WillyT Aug 2013 #70

If he wasn't a gutless coward he wouldn't be pleading with dozens of countries.... George II Aug 2013 #73

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #79

Ah, his message is worthless without self-sacrifice. wtmusic Aug 2013 #141

"Ah, his message is worthless without self-sacrifice." George II Aug 2013 #160

Obama didn't articulate shit in his presser. wtmusic Aug 2013 #161

"If he's a coward, it's the kind of coward you wish you could be." George II Aug 2013 #164

My, you have a naive viewpoint. wtmusic Aug 2013 #166

Yes I do think so. George II Aug 2013 #167

Except that Obama DIDN'T have to explain himself in front of the entire nation... George II Aug 2013 #78

... RetroLounge Aug 2013 #95

The appearance, regardless of any arguments, is that Snowden WON. DirkGently Aug 2013 #74

to some it could be nothing else nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #80

Pretty hard to argue the timing though, eh? DirkGently Aug 2013 #85

K&R n/t Michigan-Arizona Aug 2013 #82

the secret budgets are the next thing to break,.. Big-Intel gets how much?$?? Civilization2 Aug 2013 #91

Ruh row.... blackspade Aug 2013 #103

True Edward Snowden has offered more real hope and change over corrupt American policies. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #105

+1. blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #118

knr Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #119

Revisionist crap by crappy FDL disseminated by craptacular... great white snark Aug 2013 #122

You should be a debate coach. nt Union Scribe Aug 2013 #131

I cannot believe I voted for this guy twice nradisic Aug 2013 #123

I'm upset with you, too. randome Aug 2013 #135

I am upset that I only voted for him once (in 2012). millennialmax Aug 2013 #147

Imagine That - They Agree - Yet Obama Demands Incarceration - Duplicity Of The Highest Order cantbeserious Aug 2013 #129

Obama is tying himself into knots, trying to have it both ways... truth2power Aug 2013 #136

"I propose to do the dishes" Aerows Aug 2013 #137

Who our government chooses to prosecute and who it chooses not to prosecute imo are indepat Aug 2013 #153

Great. This is one way things can work. DirkGently Aug 2013 #154

LOL !!! - Don't Hold Your Breath... WillyT Aug 2013 #155

Certainly. bvar22 Aug 2013 #159

Sometimes you cannot help but agree with a positively known notion. Rex Aug 2013 #158

K&R woo me with science Aug 2013 #168