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Obama Proves Snowden�s Point [View all] WillyT Aug 2013 OP

Obama was calling for more disclosure and reforms before Snowden commited his crimes. phleshdef Aug 2013 #1

January 2009 To May 2013 Link Please ??? WillyT Aug 2013 #3

Sure no problem. phleshdef Aug 2013 #9

"so we can intercept new types of communication" zeemike Aug 2013 #25

That was only 2 months ago. It takes time to put together and roll out policy changes. phleshdef Aug 2013 #29

Two months ago? zeemike Aug 2013 #34

Um. No. You misunderstand what I'm talking about. phleshdef Aug 2013 #35

snowden's information was in the guardian in may--by my reckoning,some three months ago. niyad Aug 2013 #37

Thank you for that information zeemike Aug 2013 #39

FALSE! If you're looking to bash Obama and Democrats, at least get your facts correct.... George II Aug 2013 #71

all I am doing is pointing out when the article was published. please cite where I am trashing niyad Aug 2013 #81

but that's just it, niyad Skittles Aug 2013 #148

you are correct. the responses in this thread have been truly depressing. niyad Aug 2013 #157

I am looking to get reforms. This bullshit has been going on since Obama took office. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #110

I couldn't have said it better... truth2power Aug 2013 #139

Sorry, but Obama, or ANY President, doesn't have the power to repeal the Patriot Act or......... George II Aug 2013 #162

I am not sure exactly what Obama said as a candidate but he didnt support the Patriot Act. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #163

They should end the FISA Court and require the NSA to go to ordinary JDPriestly Aug 2013 #38

Good ideas. Never happen. THe Powers to be are not going to give up their powers. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #111

that was on may 23, three days AFTER snowden's disclosures frylock Aug 2013 #66

Interesting, chervilant Aug 2013 #133

Words...where are the actions and the press releases showing movement? dkf Aug 2013 #11

Probably the same place you left your adult sense of patience... phleshdef Aug 2013 #27

Lol. How hard is it to stop doing something? dkf Aug 2013 #54

fuck that shit frylock Aug 2013 #64

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #83

You know, I haven't even engaged in any thrust-and-parry with you Maedhros Aug 2013 #89

Good. phleshdef Aug 2013 #90

asshat and proud? amazing Civilization2 Aug 2013 #96

It was in the context of enacting policies suggested 2 months ago, not 5 years ago. phleshdef Aug 2013 #98

What's your problem? tblue Aug 2013 #97

Ad hominem fallacy sulphurdunn Aug 2013 #58

Do you even know what ad hominem means? phleshdef Aug 2013 #84

firedoglake blah blah don't expect honesty blah blah...ad hominem. reusrename Aug 2013 #87

Well done. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #88

Ok, so I guess you would defend Fox News when similar attacks are made against that network? phleshdef Aug 2013 #99

If I was defending anyone, it was sulphurdunn. reusrename Aug 2013 #102

It isn't a defense of FOX NEWS sulphurdunn Aug 2013 #126

Attacking ones opponent's character, like you did with FDL. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #113

Yes, a good example is your question. sulphurdunn Aug 2013 #125

it's one of their pet themes Skittles Aug 2013 #149

I tend to puke when I hear PURE BULLSHIT. DeSwiss Aug 2013 #100

Oddly enough calling for more disclosure while overseeing secret American policies sure does seem... AppleBottom Aug 2013 #106

Yep, it's total BS. Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #120

Yes and he once said he wanted the Patriot Act repealed. What's your point? nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #108

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2013 #156

PRECISELY. Th1onein Aug 2013 #2

The President answered that question today. phleshdef Aug 2013 #10

And is he king such that he is allowed to make this decision for us all? dkf Aug 2013 #12

What the hell are you on about? phleshdef Aug 2013 #13

It doesn't matter if he is comfortable with the program and the secrecy. dkf Aug 2013 #15

Did you misread what he said on purpose or by accident? phleshdef Aug 2013 #17

Oh I get it exactly. dkf Aug 2013 #18

Hasn't come clean about what??? phleshdef Aug 2013 #22

you know what is funny? arely staircase Aug 2013 #31

You are laughing at yourself perhaps? dkf Aug 2013 #72

I am sure you worked your ass off for him. nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #75

YOU NEVER LOVED HIM ANYWAY! LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #127

Thanks. I have to say I haven't lost confidence in him. I'm PROUD of the job he's doing as President George II Aug 2013 #165

Um. He's the guy we elected to make decisions for us. randome Aug 2013 #33

blind trust is frightening RetroLounge Aug 2013 #92

Agreed. But I was speaking to the point that Obama has no right to make decisions for us. randome Aug 2013 #104

I guess you need to read up on the powers of the President, huh? George II Aug 2013 #76

Yes, he did. And he reiterated that there have been no instances of wrongdoing/abuse. millennialmax Aug 2013 #19

You are desperate? trying to get any kind of an idea? truebluegreen Aug 2013 #47

BAZINGA! HangOnKids Aug 2013 #57

Conversely, you have no evidence that there HAS been. CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #62

Well, my goodness! chervilant Aug 2013 #140

The FISC ruled in October 2011 that aspects of NSA data collection were unconstitutional muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #67

"I've been desperately trying to get an idea of why people are so angry about this" George II Aug 2013 #77

Please do not confuse our main worry with yours. nt Pholus Aug 2013 #121

You're joking, right. bvar22 Aug 2013 #143

It's a bit late to try to convince the American people that Daddy Knows Best and all JDPriestly Aug 2013 #40

Snowden has thousands of documents that go beyond any domestic related concerns... phleshdef Aug 2013 #45

Excuse Me... But How Do You Know That ??? WillyT Aug 2013 #53

He took those documents to wherever HangOnKids Aug 2013 #60

We've always been at war with East Wherever LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #128

It is painfully sad HangOnKids Aug 2013 #134

Well, how NICE of him! It's bullshit. Th1onein Aug 2013 #107

"I am comfortable that the program currently is not being abused." That is pure rhetoric. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #114

K & R ~ nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #4

Obama: �I Don�t Think Mr. Snowden Was A Patriot� ProSense Aug 2013 #5

meanwhile as the bodies of women and kids killed by US drones pile up...look over there snowden nt msongs Aug 2013 #7

Tell it to the Press Corps - THEY asked the questions. CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #63

puke RetroLounge Aug 2013 #93

Obama looks worse the more you post that. nt Union Scribe Aug 2013 #130

Edward Snowden leaked information because Greenwald told him to Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #6

Are you claiming to have secret information about the conversations between Snowden and JDPriestly Aug 2013 #48

Link? DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #49

Obama told us beore we elected him that the people would have to hold his feet to the fire notadmblnd Aug 2013 #8

yes questionseverything Aug 2013 #146

Exactly. Snowden has done a service to this country LittleBlue Aug 2013 #14

And, he is still no patriot and a coward. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #124

Watch the foot dragging he'll do... 99Forever Aug 2013 #16

Now, now. bvar22 Aug 2013 #23

And, of course, the panel will meet in secret Maedhros Aug 2013 #28

....and "The Commission" will be composed of Hard Core Republicans... bvar22 Aug 2013 #42

...and the next President will abuse the program more than the current one.[n/t] Maedhros Aug 2013 #43

The NEXT President has a good chance of being a Republican, bvar22 Aug 2013 #44

Precisely. McCain and Lindsay Graham are waiting in the wings. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #52

I'm thinking Jeb Bush/Graham. bvar22 Aug 2013 #55

I am thinking Gov Christie unless he switches parties. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #115

What you are suggesting is becoming more plausible with each day. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #116

Have you ever read Dune by Frank Herbert? Maedhros Aug 2013 #86

WTF?!! I've read it a number of times and find it interesting that you are TWISTING Ecumenist Aug 2013 #101

We change figureheads at the helm Maedhros Aug 2013 #112

OH BULLSHIT!! Look, Obama may not be perfect but he's LIGHT YEARS better than that idiot Ecumenist Aug 2013 #117

In some areas, Foreign Policy under Obama is much WORSE than under Bush. bvar22 Aug 2013 #145

Don't forget the Stuxnet attack on Iran. Maedhros Aug 2013 #150

Speaking of reading... chervilant Aug 2013 #138

Never read Dune, bvar22 Aug 2013 #144

The novel is far and away better that the film. Maedhros Aug 2013 #151

that will come after they scapegoat progressives for "not voting" frylock Aug 2013 #109

You know, we Democrats must always be bi-partisan, after all deutsey Aug 2013 #132

I don't think Simpson and Bowles are doing anything right now. zeemike Aug 2013 #32

Love it. The "Greatest Accomplishments list." JDPriestly Aug 2013 #50

as long as we can "blue link" to it in 500 threads we can call it an accomplishment RetroLounge Aug 2013 #94

Du rec. Nt xchrom Aug 2013 #20

A commission of experts sounds fancy. Octafish Aug 2013 #21

A MoPaul classic HangOnKids Aug 2013 #61

Well at least there are a bunch of new people calling Obama a liar no matter what. Turbineguy Aug 2013 #24

No matter what? truebluegreen Aug 2013 #51

even before snowden? nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #26

Which point of Snowden's is relevant here? randome Aug 2013 #30

K&R. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #36

Another good one, Willy T! GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #41

Thanks !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #46

"Imprecision" is Obama-speak for lie. Divernan Aug 2013 #56

K&R forestpath Aug 2013 #59

Do not look at that man behind the curtain. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #65

as obama said, "we were going to do these reforms all along! yeah, that's the ticket!" unblock Aug 2013 #68

It's called "damage control". First, "We dont spy on Americans. We arent doing anything bad." rhett o rick Aug 2013 #142

It's like Homer Simpson hiding his gun from Marge in "The Cartridge Family" episode. Maedhros Aug 2013 #152

No! Obama didn't "prove Snowden's point" - Snowden didn't HAVE a point except......... George II Aug 2013 #69

LOL !!! - Yeah... A Gutless Coward That Somehow Caused The POTUS To Explain Himself In Front.. WillyT Aug 2013 #70

If he wasn't a gutless coward he wouldn't be pleading with dozens of countries.... George II Aug 2013 #73

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Ah, his message is worthless without self-sacrifice. wtmusic Aug 2013 #141

"Ah, his message is worthless without self-sacrifice." George II Aug 2013 #160

Obama didn't articulate shit in his presser. wtmusic Aug 2013 #161

"If he's a coward, it's the kind of coward you wish you could be." George II Aug 2013 #164

My, you have a naive viewpoint. wtmusic Aug 2013 #166

Yes I do think so. George II Aug 2013 #167

Except that Obama DIDN'T have to explain himself in front of the entire nation... George II Aug 2013 #78

... RetroLounge Aug 2013 #95

The appearance, regardless of any arguments, is that Snowden WON. DirkGently Aug 2013 #74

to some it could be nothing else nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #80

Pretty hard to argue the timing though, eh? DirkGently Aug 2013 #85

K&R n/t Michigan-Arizona Aug 2013 #82

the secret budgets are the next thing to break,.. Big-Intel gets how much?$?? Civilization2 Aug 2013 #91

Ruh row.... blackspade Aug 2013 #103

True Edward Snowden has offered more real hope and change over corrupt American policies. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #105

+1. blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #118

knr Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #119

Revisionist crap by crappy FDL disseminated by craptacular... great white snark Aug 2013 #122

You should be a debate coach. nt Union Scribe Aug 2013 #131

I cannot believe I voted for this guy twice nradisic Aug 2013 #123

I'm upset with you, too. randome Aug 2013 #135

I am upset that I only voted for him once (in 2012). millennialmax Aug 2013 #147

Imagine That - They Agree - Yet Obama Demands Incarceration - Duplicity Of The Highest Order cantbeserious Aug 2013 #129

Obama is tying himself into knots, trying to have it both ways... truth2power Aug 2013 #136

"I propose to do the dishes" Aerows Aug 2013 #137

Who our government chooses to prosecute and who it chooses not to prosecute imo are indepat Aug 2013 #153

Great. This is one way things can work. DirkGently Aug 2013 #154

LOL !!! - Don't Hold Your Breath... WillyT Aug 2013 #155

Certainly. bvar22 Aug 2013 #159

Sometimes you cannot help but agree with a positively known notion. Rex Aug 2013 #158

K&R woo me with science Aug 2013 #168