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109. They keep having this problem understanding what THE PROBLEM IS, don't they?

Sat Aug 10, 2013, 01:20 AM

Aug 2013

I wonder why? ... Is it from putting cell phones too close to your ears? ... watching too much CNN or some MSNBC spinners?... Fox?

It's simple if you understand that time and time again where erosion of fundamental rights are messed with, sooner or later the people are going to remind their government that constitutionally, we have these rights. They are self-evident. I don't need a manufactured post League of Nations fragment that has gone out of control to run rough shot over my every move. I don't need to be placated about fearing someone's profiling me for any electronic conversation I've ever had and to be told what TO and what NOT to worry about. Who made rules "for the people" less than "for the industrial complex?

The answer is whoever has your member of congresses ear in Washington, and the ponzi scheme in Wall Street.

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Snowden "has damaged American international relations and compromised our national security" [View all] michigandem58 Aug 2013 OP

The drone attacks and American hubris have damaged the American reputation. PDJane Aug 2013 #1

+1. Let's go ask the people of Pakistan why they won't get vaccinated for Polio. Then we'll know who liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #12

BULLSHIT PLANEFIX Aug 2013 #48

bullpucky kardonb Aug 2013 #61

Comic brilliance HangOnKids Aug 2013 #66

A noun, a verb, and "911" BlueStreak Aug 2013 #101

we didn't even need this shit to prevent the first 9/11.. frylock Aug 2013 #95

Oh no!!! Anything but another 911!!! wtmusic Aug 2013 #116

This is what a Freedom Fighter Looks like. sheshe2 Aug 2013 #2

Thank you for that information sheshe2 treestar Aug 2013 #78

No, Snowden leaked info about US Govt actions, those actions damaged US reputation internationally peacebird Aug 2013 #3

Wrong. Snowden leaked information about US spying on other countries, pnwmom Aug 2013 #68

Oh yeah, ohheckyeah Aug 2013 #102

Of course the fact that we spy isn't shocking. But giving out details to the Chinese newspaper pnwmom Aug 2013 #105

Seriously? ohheckyeah Aug 2013 #106

He's in the same category as a lot of Congress marions ghost Aug 2013 #4

Well, at least he's consistent usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #5

Snowden is a thief, he "revealed" what was already in 2005, he is now charged Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #6

Many other's think he's a patriotic WHISTLEBLOWER usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #7

Far from the truth, had Snowden used the whistleblower channels in place for him to follow Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #10

Ah, you don't have all the truth usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #11

Here are the facts, he has been charged with espionage, the facts as they currently stand. Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #13

Gov are notorious for false and trumped up charges, especially our own usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #14

He did not follow the protocol for a whistleblower therefore he is not a whistleblower, he stole Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #35

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #38

+1. The warmongers, neocons, and neolibs make me sick. Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #54

Preach on, Bubba, you are showing your true side, Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #57

Anyone that disparages a great man like Rep. John Lewis is not a Dem, Liberal, or Progressive. millennialmax Aug 2013 #62

Try decaf. Or Jesus. Number23 Aug 2013 #58

It isn't easy, looking at the end result of your government's foreign policy, is it? ronnie624 Aug 2013 #65

Anyone that thinks that posting pics of dead children is a way to promote Number23 Aug 2013 #67

"too far gone"? ronnie624 Aug 2013 #93

If all we saw in the news was images of dead children every time a war was conducted anywhere Number23 Aug 2013 #100

Those who oppose abortion, ronnie624 Aug 2013 #107

The beliefs may be different. But the methods are damn near identical Number23 Aug 2013 #111

You have never bothered to explain ronnie624 Aug 2013 #112

I should not have to explain to any DECENT human being why posting pictures of dead children Number23 Aug 2013 #113

Right. ronnie624 Aug 2013 #114

+1 treestar Aug 2013 #83

We won't have to worry about his anger issues or propensity for posting pics of dead children Number23 Aug 2013 #115

Sometimes you come back from vacation treestar Aug 2013 #119

You know a lot of the world would consider you and I every bit as guilty BainsBane Aug 2013 #60

St snowden hacked, ran to Hong Kong and then leaked.. like a sneak thief in Cha Aug 2013 #70

That statement is just incredible, isn't it? treestar Aug 2013 #81

Hey, treestar.. Many human pretzels on board Cha Aug 2013 #99

He broke the law and he did not have to treestar Aug 2013 #80

Have you not read ohheckyeah Aug 2013 #103

Two big problems Recursion Aug 2013 #32

Only for the totalitarians usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #34

OK, so how about my more important point Recursion Aug 2013 #36

See Post #38 usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #39

I saw it, but I didn't see a point Recursion Aug 2013 #43

Follow your name usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #45

Re: Two Big Problems PLANEFIX Aug 2013 #40

Again, metadata has no 4th amendment protection Recursion Aug 2013 #42

And neither do you, now usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #44

Sure I do, so do you Recursion Aug 2013 #46

Well, that data can't be used in court until it's been properly laundered at least Fumesucker Aug 2013 #73

Right, that's the "clean re-investigation" thing, which should stop yesterday Recursion Aug 2013 #74

I don't believe for a moment that the abuses will stop unless people do serious jail time for it Fumesucker Aug 2013 #77

That logic certainly didn't work for drugs Recursion Aug 2013 #84

That sounds like an admission you don't think it's possible to fix the abuses then Fumesucker Aug 2013 #86

I think abuses can be nudged back, over time Recursion Aug 2013 #87

Metadata? A bit slow on the draw, aren't you. wtmusic Aug 2013 #117

+1 snappyturtle Aug 2013 #47

^^^ THIS ^^^ usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #49

Where are these "whistleblower channels"? wtmusic Aug 2013 #118

That "DU meme" was cooked up by Larouche attorney Bruce Fein ucrdem Aug 2013 #16

Oh my. Propaganda Central. Cha Aug 2013 #18

Exactly. ucrdem Aug 2013 #19

I first mentioned it on DU on Jun 16 usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #20

It seems the Hong Kong papers beat you to it ucrdem Aug 2013 #21

yeah, as i stated, and shows your post to be incorrect usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #23

Something tells me the Hong Kong papers had a little help. ucrdem Aug 2013 #24

see what i mean ;) usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #25

+1 Historic NY Aug 2013 #28

Larouchites are A--holes. Historic NY Aug 2013 #27

No one cares about Rand Paul. Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #59

Yep. Rand Paul was the dumb SOB we always poked fun at... DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #108

you guys have had a couple months now to prove that he's somebodies [sic] patsy.. frylock Aug 2013 #15

Getting tangled up in your talking points, I see. JackRiddler Aug 2013 #26

Do you know what corporate lacky means? Someone that bows down and kisses the feet of rhett o rick Aug 2013 #55

I see you got the memo. n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #71

John Lewis also voted for Amash-Conyers against the surveillance state. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #8

I think Amash-Conyers was a pretty good amendment Recursion Aug 2013 #33

It appears my conclusions were incorrect. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #9

Yes, thank you, michigandem! And, no thanks to the Guardian yesterday for Cha Aug 2013 #17

So what would the radical troublemaker John Lewis of 50 years ago think of Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #22

Disgusting post. emulatorloo Aug 2013 #88

What??? Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #90

You wrote the slimy attack, you own it emulatorloo Aug 2013 #91

I'm perfectly aware of what I wrote. The mystery is how on earth you got from those words Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #92

Nice try at deflection. emulatorloo Aug 2013 #94

Just like the person that tells a wife her husband is having an affair Gman Aug 2013 #29

It wasn't the leaker, it was the secrets he leaked LittleBlue Aug 2013 #30

exactly. The world already has an opinion about us based on how we treat them and most of the liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #31

We are unifying the world mick063 Aug 2013 #110

Yet he was still engaging in non-violent civil disobedience. morningfog Aug 2013 #37

Yeah right libodem Aug 2013 #41

...and may have jeopardized human lives. Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #50

Yawn. nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #51

If this is your ''complete opinion'' now...... DeSwiss Aug 2013 #52

It will be interesting to see if there was a video or a tape of the interview. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #53

Now let's see..... DeSwiss Aug 2013 #63

. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #64

Preach it, Rep. Lewis. You are a national treasure. eom millennialmax Aug 2013 #56

So the pro-Snowden crowd who crowed that Lewis would be 'under the bus' yesterday CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #69

Yes, today Lewis is a greedy coward and liar emulatorloo Aug 2013 #89

Here's more of John Lewis' quote from his website this morning.. Cha Aug 2013 #72

John Lewis' third paragraph was masterful Kolesar Aug 2013 #76

We damaged international relations when we started invading countries for no reason. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #75

our own actions are what damaged our international relations and compromised our national security. magical thyme Aug 2013 #79

Here is a question for all the Pro-Snowden folks here... DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #82

just because it's legal doesn't make it right.. frylock Aug 2013 #96

Really? Then what good are all them H-Bomb and Nuke Submarines and Bombers and Missiles good for? Octafish Aug 2013 #85

The NSA has damaged American international relations and compromised our national security. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #97

Yeah, it's the same thing with Manning... SomethingFishy Aug 2013 #98

Snowden didn't damage American relations-- the Obama administration did.... mike_c Aug 2013 #104

They keep having this problem understanding what THE PROBLEM IS, don't they? MrMickeysMom Aug 2013 #109