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GiaGiovanni

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Sun Aug 11, 2013, 01:04 PM Aug 2013

Fraud And Disability Equal A Multibillion Dollar Black Hole For Taxpayers [View all]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/richardfinger/2013/01/14/fraud-and-disability-equal-a-multibillion-dollar-balck-hole-for-taxpayers/

...The numbers substantiate a shift to these hard to (dis)prove afflictions. Over the past three decade’s awards for mental illness climbed from 16% of total claims to one third by 2010. During the same period “back pain” increased its market share from 13 to 28%....

A study by the NBER (National Bureau of Economic Research) found that for workers with low paying jobs, SSDI including Medicare replaced, on average, 90% of working income. (SSDI recipients get free Medicare after two years of receiving benefits.) In times of tepid job growth, like now for instance, wages are often stagnant, so if there is a choice between working at minimum wage versus doing nothing and earning almost equal amounts, sloth trumps exertion much more often than not.

...[S]econdly, the qualification standards have been severely watered down. As evidenced by above statistics “back pain” is questioned much less today. It is not difficult to claim otherwise when a person says they are depressed. Also, more attention is paid to the applicants claims of pain and special trust is placed in the report made by the applicants own physician. Third, once invited into the club, why leave. In 1983, 163 per 1,000 people terminated benefits. Jump ahead to 2011 and that number has collapsed to only 74 per 1,000. In a crummy job market the incentive is to stay put... A fourth reason is that the labor participation rate, at 63.7%, is at its lowest levels in generations. This translates that of the millions who have thrown in the towel looking for employment, many have elected to enter the SSDI lottery. This leads us to the huge issue of fraud.

“We know there are individuals who will purposely withhold or fabricate information to collect government benefits they are not entitled to receive”. Those are the words of the Office of the Inspector General from their hearing on “combating disability waste, fraud, and abuse”. The Senate conducted their own investigation which concluded that fully one quarter of all disability insurance claims decisions were flawed, improperly addressing “insufficient, contradictory, and incomplete evidence, thus increasing the chances of rewarding nondisabled persons.” The study also determined the Social Security Administration (SSA) failed to establish that claimants were properly screened to certify that they satisfied metrics in the Social Security Administration’s (SSA) medical “Listing of Impairments” to meet eligibility requirements that would qualify them for the DI program. The Inspector General’s office identified billions in fraud. The Senate study implies many billions more in abuses. Much of the ongoing program cheating comes from those who continue to collect disability payments but are stealthily employed on the side. Not surprisingly, some of the SSDI wounds are self-inflicted. The SSA loses hundreds of millions continuing to pay those who were honest and notified that they were returning to work. The agency is supposed to conduct CDR’s or Continuing Disability Reviews to check in and determine the status of the disabled. I know it surprises everyone that there is a huge backlog and SSA is severely understaffed in this area. Probably the biggest area of abuse is those who gingerly slip through the vetting net and shouldn’t be getting disability payments in the first place. The contrived complexity of the SSDI system has spawned a cottage industry of doctors and specialized legal teams to navigate the byzantine multi-tiered documentation process. While the integrity of most lawyers and doctors is beyond reproach there are a few bad apples that make their living gaming the system. Remember what your mother preached, “if at first you don’t succeed, try, try again”. This small nugget of wisdom pays off especially when applying for SSDI. Often applicants may be turned down on the first or second attempt to receive benefits. Many times it is only through a court hearing that cases get resolved. Per a study by D. Autor and M. Duggan as many as 40% of all disability awards comes through the appeals process. Some judges gain the reputation of never seeing a claim they didn’t like………never refusing anyone. They also found in one recent year the SSA paid out as much as half a billion dollars to claimants attorneys....
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Also, from Slate GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #1
on youtube doing the robot to Steppenwolf hfojvt Aug 2013 #25
Is this him? Generic Other Aug 2013 #51
Other links GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #2
You cannot self diagnose and get ssdi. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #13
Exactly. These critics want to get rid of disability for ALL people. duffyduff Aug 2013 #19
+1.. almost every claim is denied at first.. SomethingFishy Aug 2013 #41
Sorry to hear it took that long. Absolutely ridiculous. deurbano Aug 2013 #59
Yeah you get a lump sum for everything you are owed from the day you file.. SomethingFishy Aug 2013 #62
The US Military is a multi trillion dollar welfare program. nt valerief Aug 2013 #3
So soldiers are on welfare? GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #5
At least 60% of non-discretionary taxes go to the military. It's really more due to unfunded valerief Aug 2013 #6
So that translates to soldiers being on welfare? GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #8
No, more like government contractor fat cats on welfare BuelahWitch Aug 2013 #55
What does that have to do with fraud? GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #9
Defense contractor fraud links BuelahWitch Aug 2013 #57
fighting fraud is all well and good except when it becomes an excuse to slash helpful programs dembotoz Aug 2013 #4
I agree, but widespread fraud takes away credibility from any program GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #7
There isn't "widespread fraud." duffyduff Aug 2013 #22
On the contrary, people like your friend suffer from the right-wingers attitude that many people are LeftishBrit Aug 2013 #32
I'll tell you what. Threads like this don't help your dear friend. kcr Aug 2013 #72
Rightwing horseshit from Forbes. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #10
My son is bi-polar and seriously ill. It took us 12 years to get him qualified. Don't tell me how OregonBlue Aug 2013 #11
+1000 LeftishBrit Aug 2013 #14
12 years! Geez... deurbano Aug 2013 #60
This sounds like an attempt to soften the public to accept cuts in disability LeftishBrit Aug 2013 #12
UK is not the U.S. duffyduff Aug 2013 #21
Getting more similar, though; and sadly not in the good ways LeftishBrit Aug 2013 #23
There IS no problem with "fraud"--that is a right-wing lie duffyduff Aug 2013 #24
I agree LeftishBrit Aug 2013 #65
Can we do something about fraud in the military/surveillance budget? Corporate handouts? Farm subsid KittyWampus Aug 2013 #15
The National Bureau of Economic Research - Funded by Scaife Foundations blogslut Aug 2013 #16
interesting there hfojvt Aug 2013 #27
This is one of many similar articles I have seen lately Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #34
None of the people I know on disability got it that easily. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #17
Hit piece from someone who has not gone through the process. Downwinder Aug 2013 #18
Articles are pure propaganda and have no basis in fact. duffyduff Aug 2013 #20
It depends on a lot of things Recursion Aug 2013 #29
An ironic note loyalsister Aug 2013 #66
as someone that spent almost 5 years DonCoquixote Aug 2013 #26
Bingo Fumesucker Aug 2013 #33
This American Life did a much more nuanced look at this a few months ago Recursion Aug 2013 #28
Media Matters pretty much tore this article to shreds IIRC. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #35
That report has been called into question Beaverhausen Aug 2013 #37
None of Media Matters' facts address what Joffe-Walt reported Recursion Aug 2013 #44
Yes they do. alp227 Aug 2013 #68
So why were the people in Hale County wrong about what they themselves are doing? Recursion Aug 2013 #69
Nope. That pos report from their money matters side was also rightwing crap. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #42
Yep. The lawyers and private companies are real Recursion Aug 2013 #43
How to Distinguish a Rep from a Dem FreeJoe Aug 2013 #30
bullshit. ramping up the anti-SS propaganda in preparation for cuts, just as they did with welfare. HiPointDem Aug 2013 #31
Why are u posting rightwing talking point articles? leftstreet Aug 2013 #36
they of course should look for fraud but there is a campaign to make it look worse than it is so liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #38
***COUGH***liar***COUGH. nt xchrom Aug 2013 #39
Tell ya what Zippy. I'll trade you my diseaseS for your job NightWatcher Aug 2013 #40
I tried to explain a fraud sorefeet Aug 2013 #45
Some of us do, and we know a line of b.s. when we hear it. n/t duffyduff Aug 2013 #49
Whatever sorefeet Aug 2013 #52
Ya see that guy was sorefeet Aug 2013 #46
Oh, right, sure. duffyduff Aug 2013 #48
From the article... LeftofObama Aug 2013 #47
I don't know sorefeet Aug 2013 #50
administrative law judge xchrom Aug 2013 #56
Why are you peddling right wing bullshit here? DJ13 Aug 2013 #53
OK I've read your posts- ruffburr Aug 2013 #54
Get it right folks sorefeet Aug 2013 #64
I don't give a fuck. When there's unemployment some well deserving person gets the scammer's job. hunter Aug 2013 #58
HCA was fined 1.7 Billion dollars for fraud onethatcares Aug 2013 #61
it took me almost 2 years to get my disability. DesertFlower Aug 2013 #63
Some people who really need disability have a very hard time getting it GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #67
bullshit. ramping up the 'welfare queen' meme to help gut SS. HiPointDem Aug 2013 #70
... alp227 Aug 2013 #71
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