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In reply to the discussion: Can anyone truly deny we're on the path to a new Holocaust? [View all]Zorra
(27,670 posts)116. WE WERE VICTIMS OF THE HOLOCAUST. HOW FUCKING DARE YOU, OR ANYONE ELSE HERE,
dismiss our fears and concerns about how it may happen again, may be happening again, in light of our current persecution worldwide, by telling us there are no valid comparisons, or whatever the fuck else entails y'all's lame rationalizations and denials about the hate and violence we experience worldwide on a daily basis.
Do you have any idea what this pink triangle means?!?
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Persecution of Homosexuals in the Third Reich
On June 28, 1935, the Ministry of Justice revised Paragraph 175. The revisions provided a legal basis for extending Nazi persecution of homosexuals. Ministry officials expanded the category of "criminally indecent activities between men" to include any act that could be construed as homosexual. The courts later decided that even intent or thought sufficed. On October 26, 1936, Himmler formed within the Security Police the Reich Central Office for Combating Abortion and Homosexuality. Josef Meisinger, executed in 1947 for his brutality in occupied Poland, led the new office. The police had powers to hold in protective custody or preventive arrest those deemed dangerous to Germany's moral fiber, jailing indefinitely--without trial--anyone they chose. In addition, homosexual prisoners just released from jail were immediately re-arrested and sent to concentration camps if the police thought it likely that they would continue to engage in homosexual acts.
From 1937 to 1939, the peak years of the Nazi persecution of homosexuals, the police increasingly raided homosexual meeting places, seized address books, and created networks of informers and undercover agents to identify and arrest suspected homosexuals. On April 4, 1938, the Gestapo issued a directive indicating that men convicted of homosexuality could be incarcerated in concentration camps. Between 1933 and 1945 the police arrested an estimated 100,000 men as homosexuals. Most of the 50,000 men sentenced by the courts spent time in regular prisons, and between 5,000 and 15,000 were interned in concentration camps.
The Nazis interned some homosexuals in concentration camps immediately after the seizure of power in January 1933. Those interned came from all areas of German society, and often had only the cause of their imprisonment in common. Some homosexuals were interned under other categories by mistake, and the Nazis purposefully miscategorized some political prisoners as homosexuals. Prisoners marked by pink triangles to signify homosexuality were treated harshly in the camps. According to many survivor accounts, homosexuals were among the most abused groups in the camps.
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There are no known statistics for the number of homosexuals who died in the camps.
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The Olympics should be pulled from Russia, Russia is clearly moving on a path back in time. n/t
RKP5637
Aug 2013
#36
The Holocast was a specific historic event against which there are no valid comparisons.
dipsydoodle
Aug 2013
#5
And just so we don't forget there was Cambodia and of course Uganda (the Ibo).
1-Old-Man
Aug 2013
#11
uh, no. I'm saying that "The Holocaust" is a specific reference to the Nazi genocide
cali
Aug 2013
#53
The other popular meaning of "state-sponsored extermination of a group" is clear enough. (nt)
Posteritatis
Aug 2013
#56
"Are you suggesting that there's an ongoing genocide in Russia targeting GLBT folks?"
Pab Sungenis
Aug 2013
#63
Yep. Read: "You were imprisoned, tortured, experimented on, and murdered by the Nazis during the
Zorra
Aug 2013
#137
So very wrong. As a child I was taken to Yad Vashim, Shoah Memorial in Jerusalem
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2013
#164
That's sick. Can you imagine how crushed, devastated, those poor gay internees must have been?
Zorra
Aug 2013
#138
In Russia, it's currently not legal to murder gay people. In some countries, it is.
Donald Ian Rankin
Aug 2013
#14
Isn't it? My impression was that it was at least partly a post-communist Orthodox resurgence.
Donald Ian Rankin
Aug 2013
#22
Oddly enough, they are a lot easier to notice when you are the one in the crosshairs
Fumesucker
Aug 2013
#8
link. one link from any reputable rights organization that confirms that a genocide has started in
cali
Aug 2013
#72
Just because genocide is usually preceded by x does not mean x usually leads to genocide.
Donald Ian Rankin
Aug 2013
#45
Oh Lord, I hope note. I hadn't extrapolated down that path while considering where it's being done
Fire Walk With Me
Aug 2013
#27
Some people have to hate and kill and purify in their warped minds... the MO stays the same, but
RKP5637
Aug 2013
#34
In 1936 the Olympic committee went to Germany to investigate because many wanted a boycott of
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2013
#165
apparently the syntax police want to reserve holocaust for Nazi Germany, and genocide for
Doctor_J
Aug 2013
#67
oh for god's sake. the right wing has been on the move all over europe, esp. in the states
HiPointDem
Aug 2013
#65
I am offended by your remark! The law was just recently passed so that is why we are discussing it!
hrmjustin
Aug 2013
#74
bullshit. essentially the same laws have been in force in 10 russian provinces starting in (if i
HiPointDem
Aug 2013
#75
I am gay and I always care what my LGBT borthers and sisters are going through and so does th OP!
hrmjustin
Aug 2013
#77
that may be but it doesn't address my post. neither you or the op were posting about lfbt
HiPointDem
Aug 2013
#80
I tend not to start OPs on the issue but I have postered on LGBT issues in many countries.
hrmjustin
Aug 2013
#82
& as to the provincial laws? & as to the fact that russian courts have *not* interpreted these
HiPointDem
Aug 2013
#84
Yes but the laws are on the books. They may not have started to enforce them but they put them on
hrmjustin
Aug 2013
#87
yes, the laws are on the books, and i totally agree that they can be used heinously. but i
HiPointDem
Aug 2013
#93
The point is that more an more LGBT people in Russia are being marginalized and we feel the need to
hrmjustin
Aug 2013
#94
no, it's not about snowden. but the reason there are so many ops about russia's laws *is* snowden.
HiPointDem
Aug 2013
#99
YEP. The reason this issue has suddenly become so prominent is because of snowden.
HiPointDem
Aug 2013
#106
it's not illegal to speak about gay rights. and 'in recent years' = last year.
HiPointDem
Aug 2013
#101
you talked about 'official calls,' by which i understand representatives of the state speaking in
HiPointDem
Aug 2013
#150
Are we allowed to be outraged over the law in Russia and still like Snowden?
liberal_at_heart
Aug 2013
#98
I was just clarifying. Because there are people on DU who will do that. I'm glad to hear you are not
liberal_at_heart
Aug 2013
#102
What is happening in Russia now should set off warning bells for anyone who has studied genocide
stevenleser
Aug 2013
#127
it's scary how quickly modern society can revert with respect to civil, gay, women's rights
Liberal_in_LA
Aug 2013
#145
Even the Nazis didn't arrest Jesse Owens at the 1936 games. That was during the 3rd Reich.
muntrv
Aug 2013
#154
The Nazis actually announced in advance of the 36 Olympics that their anti homosexual laws
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2013
#157