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WillyT

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Wed Aug 14, 2013, 06:32 PM Aug 2013

NSA, DEA, IRS Lie About Fact That Americans Are Routinely Spied On By Our Government: Time For A... [View all]

NSA, DEA, IRS Lie About Fact That Americans Are Routinely Spied On By Our Government: Time For A Special Prosecutor
By Jennifer Stisa Granick and Christopher Jon Sprigman - Forbes
8/14/2013 @ 2:54PM

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It seems that every day brings a new revelation about the scope of the NSA’s heretofore secret warrantless mass surveillance programs. And as we learn more, the picture becomes increasingly alarming. Last week we discovered that the NSA shares information with a division of the Drug Enforcement Agency called the Special Operations Division (SOD). The DEA uses the information in drug investigations. But it also gives NSA data out to other agencies – in particular, the Internal Revenue Service, which, as you might imagine, is always looking for information on tax cheats.

The Obama Administration repeatedly has assured us that the NSA does not collect the private information of ordinary Americans. Those statements simply are not true. We now know that the agency regularly intercepts and inspects Americans’ phone calls, emails, and other communications, and it shares this information with other federal agencies that use it to investigate drug trafficking and tax evasion. Worse, DEA and IRS agents are told to lie to judges and defense attorneys about their use of NSA data, and about the very existence of the SOD, and to make up stories about how these investigations started so that no one will know information is coming from the NSA’s top secret surveillance programs.

“Now, wait a minute,” you might be saying. “How does a foreign intelligence agency which supposedly is looking for terrorists and only targets non-U.S. persons get ahold of information useful in IRS investigations of American tax cheats?” To answer that question, let’s review this week’s revelations.

Back in 2005, several media outlets reported that NSA has direct access to the stream of communications data, carried over fiber optic cables that connect central telephone switching facilities in the U.S. with one another and with networks in foreign countries. Reports suggested that the NSA had installed equipment referred to as “splitter cabinets” at main phone company offices, where they make a copy of all data traveling on the fiber optic cable and route it into a secret room where computers scan through the information – searching for names and terms that are themselves secret — as it goes by. For years, the federal government refused to comment on these reports. But on August 8, an unnamed senior administration official confirmed this practice to the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/08/us/broader-sifting-of-data-abroad-is-seen-by-nsa.html?ref=global-home

We also learned that the NSA can grab information off these fiber optic cables in near real time using a tool called XKeyscore (XKS). Searching the firehose of Internet and telephone data as it flows takes an immense amount of computing power. The XKS system dumps a portion of the communications information NSA snatches into a truly immense local storage “cache.” This cache can keep network information for a few days, depending on the amount of traffic. This gives the NSA’s computers time to search through what otherwise would be an unmanageable torrent of emails, phone calls, chats, social network posts, and other communications. And importantly, XKS searches do not involve just communications “metadata”. The XKS system searches the contents of our Internet and telephone communications. Which is directly at odds with repeated Administration statements suggesting that NSA mass surveillance was limited to metadata.

To seize and search through all of this information without a warrant, the agency must...

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More: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jennifergranick/2013/08/14/nsa-dea-irs-lie-about-fact-that-americans-are-routinely-spied-on-by-our-government-time-for-a-special-prosecutor-2/

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I know exactly who should be appointed to investigate... burnodo Aug 2013 #1
Oliver North? Scotter Libby? Dick-head Cheney? nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #4
ya, like that's gonna happen... FirstLight Aug 2013 #2
Its an authoritarian wet dream. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #3
You're apt to be alerted on. The authoritarians here dont like to be called authoritarians. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #6
You will note I did not include Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #7
I'm stunned...I thought for sure that must be your title instead of Forbes. dkf Aug 2013 #5
I Don't Write 'Em... I Just Report 'Em... WillyT Aug 2013 #8
Well you couldn't be more on target than that anyway! dkf Aug 2013 #9
Does Obama still stand by his stmt there's no spying? leftstreet Aug 2013 #10
There is a fine line between rhetoric and lying. We would like to know his rhett o rick Aug 2013 #11
Yes... Apparently Plain English Doesn't Do It There Days... WillyT Aug 2013 #13
But, but no where does it mention meta-data, therefore it's fair game. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #15
Its not YOUR persons, houses, papers or effects. phleshdef Aug 2013 #16
Evidently Google is now claiming that the contents of Gmail have no expectation of privacy Fumesucker Aug 2013 #17
I'd say most of them have clauses in their terms of service that would allow them to make... phleshdef Aug 2013 #20
Dude... When Was The Last Time You, Or Anyone Of Us, Actually Read The TOS We Agreed To ??? WillyT Aug 2013 #18
Yea, I don't read that stuff. phleshdef Aug 2013 #19
Hell they don't even read them here.......... Historic NY Aug 2013 #26
And, if all the ISPs are subject to NSA demands, etc., what option do consumers have? spooky3 Aug 2013 #35
Lets see what Joe Biden said about the government mining of metadata in 2006: bvar22 Aug 2013 #45
Why don't you try reading what I said and THEN respond? phleshdef Aug 2013 #49
Oh come on, thats not fair DJ13 Aug 2013 #52
Kick And Recommend cantbeserious Aug 2013 #12
kick burnodo Aug 2013 #14
That Forbes Article is Fantastic Read...and Here's a Snip: KoKo Aug 2013 #21
+1000000000 woo me with science Aug 2013 #22
+1 leftstreet Aug 2013 #24
Poindexter their asses n/t hootinholler Aug 2013 #41
Yes, indeed! DeSwiss Aug 2013 #23
this stuff will never stop... dtom67 Aug 2013 #25
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ,,,,,,,,,,,, /nt Cryptoad Aug 2013 #27
You're New... Right ??? WillyT Aug 2013 #28
Hardly /nt Cryptoad Aug 2013 #31
Ok... WillyT Aug 2013 #37
Ohhhhhh Cryptoad Aug 2013 #43
Resurrection Alert! eom 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #38
huh? /nt Cryptoad Aug 2013 #44
What was/is your "other" DU Screen name? bvar22 Aug 2013 #46
Reading is a critical skill.... Cryptoad Aug 2013 #48
Aaah, what would the first author know about these matters? spooky3 Aug 2013 #29
When are they Cryptoad Aug 2013 #32
You can bet that the authors would be sued if what they reported were groundless. spooky3 Aug 2013 #34
That's what a special prosecutor's job is. Thanks for agreeing with the OP (nt) muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #50
Fitzmas 2.2.31.f IDemo Aug 2013 #30
Is the Cryptoad Aug 2013 #33
It would be nice if you would discuss the article instead of snarking thru the thread. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #40
The original thread Cryptoad Aug 2013 #42
K&R eom 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #36
K and R nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #39
ROFL snooper2 Aug 2013 #47
Fiber Optic Products > Splitter Cabinets muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #51
:) snooper2 Aug 2013 #53
The main point is that the whistleblower describes the NSA equipment muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #54
The whistleblower doesn't really know what he is talking about snooper2 Aug 2013 #55
Why do you say "it doesn't work like that" and then proceed to describe it working like that? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #56
because when he says a "portion", if he knew he wouldn't use that word snooper2 Aug 2013 #57
Why do you think the word 'portion' is not suitable? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #58
Well Done! bvar22 Aug 2013 #59
K & R AzDar Aug 2013 #60
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