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WillyT

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Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:32 PM Aug 2013

NSA “Nothing To See Here, People” Types Thoroughly Embarrassed Again - WashingtonMonthly [View all]

NSA “Nothing to see here, people” types thoroughly embarrassed again
By Samuel Knight - WashingtonMonthly
August 17, 2013 3:18 PM

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Remember when Jeffrey Toobin ho-hummed over Edward Snowden’s disclosures, and called him a “grandiose narcissist”?

What, one wonders, did Snowden think the N.S.A. did? Any marginally attentive citizen, much less N.S.A. employee or contractor, knows that the entire mission of the agency is to intercept electronic communications. Perhaps he thought that the N.S.A. operated only outside the United States; in that case, he hadn’t been paying very close attention.


What utter nonsense — transparent discourse policing. As if a cable news pundit calling anyone a narcissist wasn’t absurd enough, Toobin seems to think that the state of democracy is fine devoid of some pretty significant information. That the mere knowledge of secret surveillance programs, secret courts, secret legal interpretations, and secret legal opinions (even ones that reportedly find the NSA to be engaged in unconstitutional behavior) should be enough for Americans — one needn’t know the details. “Nothing to see here, people.” The problem with this painfully incurious and profoundly anti-journalistic outlook is that one cannot actually attempt to hold the government - or any self-interested defensive institution - accountable without information. As either a constituent, a journalist, or any other stakeholder, try grilling an official about suspected government practices without any actual knowledge or evidence. See how that goes.

Fortunately, common sense is winning. There definitely isn’t “nothing to see here.” Just as public opinion on the war in Afghanistan soured not long after WikiLeaks’ Afghan War Logs and the late great Michael Hastings’ profile of Gen. McChrystal were published in the summer of 2010, public opinion is turning against this dragnet surveillance, which our leaders see as an indispensable component of an eternal war. The results of a Washington Post-ABC News poll published yesterday found that almost 6 in 10 respondents — Democrats and Republicans alike — believe the government can’t justify its privacy intrusions. A few weeks after Snowden’s first disclosure, a separate inquiry by the news organizations found that concerns for privacy were at “the highest point in any Post-ABC News poll dating back to summer 2002.” It’s little wonder this is the case, given the Obama administration’s crackdown on whistleblowers, Holder v. Humanitarian Law, the case against WikiLeaks, and the feds’ reaction to the Occupy Movement (to say nothing of all the imagined persecutions of the Tea Party).


And earlier today, Virginia Republican and NSA critic Morgan Griffith said a recent House vote to starve funding for the agency’s fishing expedition surveillance would have passed instead of being narrowly defeated, had the Washington Post’s most recent revelation come to light ex ante facto...

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More: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2013_08/nsa_nothing_to_see_here_people046440.php#


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Kick and rec. Th1onein Aug 2013 #1
You Are Quite Welcome !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #2
that includes plenty of naive DUers Skittles Aug 2013 #3
Naivete mixed with arrogance and condescension is a really ugly combination, too Electric Monk Aug 2013 #11
You forgot the willful ignorance component Demeter Aug 2013 #16
I have a feeling much of that ignorance will wear off in 2017 Skittles Aug 2013 #17
I sure hope so; but we will need alternatives, too! Demeter Aug 2013 #18
I am sick of it too Skittles Aug 2013 #22
My nose is getting awfully sore, too Jack Rabbit Aug 2013 #39
how can anyone SwampG8r Aug 2013 #45
The Bubble! bvar22 Aug 2013 #23
The Progressive Tea Party Cryptoad Aug 2013 #29
You Know the DLC-creating Koch Bros also fund the Tea Party - Right ?? HumansAndResources Aug 2013 #43
+1 Marr Aug 2013 #49
Link and quote...thx uponit7771 Aug 2013 #52
Here are a few. bvar22 Aug 2013 #63
thx, doesn't looks like the DLC is funded by the kochs though uponit7771 Aug 2013 #69
That is just bizarre. bvar22 Aug 2013 #70
Koch had people on the board of trustees Mnpaul Aug 2013 #71
*****crickets***** bvar22 Aug 2013 #73
Enjoy your stay. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #56
Thanks,,,,,, nt Cryptoad Aug 2013 #64
K & R ~ nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #4
K&R forestpath Aug 2013 #5
don't they mean "totally vindicated"? 'cos that's what the apologists keep claiming... MisterP Aug 2013 #6
For the most part there IS nothing to see, not anything people are going to do anything about uponit7771 Aug 2013 #7
The Progressive Tea Party Cryptoad Aug 2013 #28
Yeah, I didn't know there were so many "gov bad" democrats till now. Seems kind fishy to me... uponit7771 Aug 2013 #31
Me thinks Cryptoad Aug 2013 #33
YES!! Coordinated and out disproportional outrage relative to what the GOP is doing to the 15th amen uponit7771 Aug 2013 #38
"there are pretenders among us! " NealK Aug 2013 #40
Love You! HangOnKids Aug 2013 #46
^^^this^^^ L0oniX Aug 2013 #58
Nailed it :) nt TBF Aug 2013 #61
Wrong !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #35
Reading is a critical skill.... Cryptoad Aug 2013 #36
Did your break from DU help your reading skills? HangOnKids Aug 2013 #47
What break? Cryptoad Aug 2013 #62
Stranded in Russia by the State Dept, You Mean?? HumansAndResources Aug 2013 #44
Thanks hueymahl Aug 2013 #8
Their worst nightmare is happening. They have lost control of the 'message' although why there sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #9
Always enjoy your posts hueymahl Aug 2013 #37
Those who favor 'party' over democracy doom both. Great post,. calm clear and concise. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #54
Leave Barack Alone! Hasn't he suffered Enough? n2doc Aug 2013 #10
LOL !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #12
Just riffing off of another thread n2doc Aug 2013 #15
ha! n/t wildbilln864 Aug 2013 #13
Kick And Recommend cantbeserious Aug 2013 #14
"Fortunately, common sense is winning". There definitely isn’t “nothing to see here.” n/t Catherina Aug 2013 #19
K&R! n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #20
My guess tom_kelly Aug 2013 #21
likely scenario,. too-late capitalism is is laugh after laugh,. . Civilization2 Aug 2013 #24
K&R Thank You for posting... +1 Purveyor Aug 2013 #25
Funny, I don't feel embarrassed. Oh, that's because I've never said "nothing to see here." Bolo Boffin Aug 2013 #26
I completely backed away from the NSA debate. AppetiteForApathy Aug 2013 #27
Its NOT REAL!!!! bvar22 Aug 2013 #30
You Bad... WillyT Aug 2013 #32
Lol! NealK Aug 2013 #41
Sad that we've got to the point ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #55
Bwah! woo me with science Aug 2013 #57
DUzy L0oniX Aug 2013 #59
Heeee! Oilwellian Aug 2013 #65
I'm wondering.... Mnpaul Aug 2013 #72
It's getting pretty hard to see the 4th Amendment through the crowd of spies and politicians. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #34
Another NSA "Bombshell" Starts to Fizzle Out, as Greenwald Pushes Government Conspiracy Theory ProSense Aug 2013 #42
Isn't the "Conspiracy Theory" Frame getting a bit Old? HumansAndResources Aug 2013 #48
Rockefeller was one evil dude. NealK Aug 2013 #51
...because we all should blindly believe our government. L0oniX Aug 2013 #60
There is nothing here than everyone didn't already know and releasing this information Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #50
You forgot the Sarcasm. The latest story about Greenwald might jar KoKo Aug 2013 #74
. blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #53
6 out of 10 people, and it was bipartisan, don't think govt. can justify it's privacy intrusions... midnight Aug 2013 #66
But isn't it all "just hype"? 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #67
I'm still waiting for something to see. gulliver Aug 2013 #68
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