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Xithras

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23. Well, if you want to determine land ownership based on "who built what" thousands of years ago...
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 05:52 PM
Aug 2013

...then the time has come to march all of the whites in America into camps, to evict all of the nonwhites from Europe, to seize about half of China for the Turkomen, to evict everyone who isn't black from southeast Asia and Australia, and to genetically test and drive out any British people who have Norse or German DNA in their blood (which is most of them).

It's funny how the very idea sounds racist and idiotic when applied to other areas and ethnic groups, but is somehow acceptable to the defenders of Israel.

Besides, the idea really does fail on its face when looked at closely anyway. While there was inarguably a Jewish diaspora, the population of Palestine was overwhelmingly Christian when the Muslims invaded. That Christian population was primarily descended from the original Christian Jews...the worlds first major Christian population were Jews who abandoned Judaism in favor of Christianity, and they were not subject to the same kind of repression as the Jewish population was. These Jewish Christians had the same claim to the land as their nonconverted Jewish relatives had. When the Muslims invaded, most of these Jewish Christians were forcibly converted to Islam. There have now been multiple genetic studies indicating that the majority of Muslim Palestinians are the genetic descendents of the Christians and Jews who lived in the area when it was conquered in the 7th century.

The argument that the Israeli's have more claim to the land than the Palestinians is ONLY valid if you also accept the belief that changing your religion somehow voids your own ancestry and heritage. It's saying that the invading Israelis' have a right to keep their land because they left the region and kept their original religion, while the original Israeli's who stayed in their homelands and changed religions somehow forfeited their right to that land. It's an offensive idea, one that violates both international law and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and one that should be patently unacceptable to anyone who claims to be any sort of liberal or progressive. The land belongs to the people, not a religion.

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It's getting real. bravenak Aug 2013 #1
AutoRogerWatersDURec KG Aug 2013 #2
K&R! G_j Aug 2013 #3
K&R. thank you, Mr. Waters. That had to have taken a lot of freaking guts. n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #4
Good for Roger. progressoid Aug 2013 #5
Good for him! VADem1980 Aug 2013 #6
since the jews built the old temple in jerusalem well before their were muslims rdking647 Aug 2013 #13
Well, if you want to determine land ownership based on "who built what" thousands of years ago... Xithras Aug 2013 #23
And there lies the extreme weakness of your argument cpwm17 Aug 2013 #25
Always Loved Pink Floyd! Howler Aug 2013 #7
Excellent! SaveOurDemocracy Aug 2013 #8
Cue the "he's an anti-Semite" chorus Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #9
They haven't punched in yet. Segami Aug 2013 #11
Fortunately Angelonthesidelines Aug 2013 #12
K & R democrank Aug 2013 #10
good for him. I've often wondered when the hell Isreal was going to stop building illegal liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #14
Good for him They_Live Aug 2013 #15
A Roger waters video from 2006 on you tube, and I cut and pasted two of the replies on you tube... Rebellious Republican Aug 2013 #16
And yet another memorable moment by roger waters and Sinead O' Conner Rebellious Republican Aug 2013 #18
Profound letter. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #17
Yes. He should move his 'tour' to Cairo and Damascus and play there. PCIntern Aug 2013 #19
Ever been over there yourself? Rebellious Republican Aug 2013 #20
Israel? Yes. PCIntern Aug 2013 #21
K and r panader0 Aug 2013 #22
Locking-This belongs in the Israel/Palestine room. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #24
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