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quakerboy

(14,844 posts)
23. Who cares about the porn?
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 07:09 PM
Aug 2013

I find it interesting this assumption that there is a separation. NSA and LE are tied together. That's been made apparent of late, with the whole Parallel Construction deal. If nothing is done about the spying, I would guess the amount of time between now and when your average unscrupulous policeman can access all your information is limited. They aren't going to let a tool like that pass them by, and more than the corporate world will. Legality be damned, if its there, they will find a way to use it.

So then you end up in an even uglier situation. The police abuse your rights. You call in to let your wife know you are headed to the lawyer to try and get a hint of justice. But they know they did wrong, and are listening to your calls. Because they can, and they dont want to get a demerit, even if the lawyers can get them out of any serious trouble. They stop you a few blocks from your house and let you know they are able to hear anything you say and they will be listening. Like that time you called your boss a dickhead after work, wonder how he would react to getting a copy of that audio. Plus, here's this handy recording of your son talking on the phone about buying some pot a few months ago. Hey, didn't he just turn 18? Wouldn't it be a shame if that got handed to a prosecutor when he was just about to head to college...

I'm with you, part way. Defund police. Or maybe, fund them in a different way. End the whole military hardware deal. Get them some training in how to de escalate situations. Get them some regular counseling, whether they "need it or not". Lets change the way we recruit officers, look for intelligent, moral people who want to make a difference. Not just ones who want to Enforce.

But we dont have to gloss over or minimize the NSA spying program to cut Police funding, or to restructure our departments. These things go together. They are not exclusive.

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Obama is wrong? But Obama is the change we've been waiting for. Does-not-compute. Does-not-compute. Pterodactyl Aug 2013 #1
Snort! MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #2
He made a mistake. Surely by now you must know that Obama is only human. Many inside of gov. kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #11
Its his job to know. HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #16
He made a mistake that he's CONTINUING to repeat. Th1onein Aug 2013 #30
If only Obama knew! Pterodactyl Aug 2013 #40
K&R MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #3
Defense of abusers is a regular feature of the Obama administration. forestpath Aug 2013 #4
The Government does not spy on Americans bvar22 Aug 2013 #5
My personal favorite LearningCurve Aug 2013 #17
I know that one is a favorite of Republicans, Libertarians, & Conservative "Reagan Democrats", bvar22 Aug 2013 #24
Reagan gets credit for the line, which is why Republicans like it so much LearningCurve Aug 2013 #28
Learning Curve, this is a liberal forum and that's a Ronald Raygun quote. Th1onein Aug 2013 #31
See my post right above yours LearningCurve Aug 2013 #41
We need to kill off the police forces, then railsback Aug 2013 #6
no, we need to reign them in- a lot. just like the NSA. cut the fuck out of their funding. cali Aug 2013 #7
Interesting railsback Aug 2013 #10
NSA... quakerboy Aug 2013 #12
Do you really think you know all the police force abuses? railsback Aug 2013 #21
Who cares about the porn? quakerboy Aug 2013 #23
Game, Set, & Match. bvar22 Aug 2013 #25
So true!! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #42
An average of one case out of billions a year? Isn't that to be expected? No system functions pnwmom Aug 2013 #8
And all it takes is one guy like Snowden to put them in a tailspin Ocelot Aug 2013 #13
Billions of cases per year? HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #18
So, you're admitting that they are spying on billions? Th1onein Aug 2013 #32
No. The billions refers to the number of incidents, not the number of targets. pnwmom Aug 2013 #33
That's what I'm talking about. Th1onein Aug 2013 #34
That isn't what the OP said. It's referring to the number of occurrences, pnwmom Aug 2013 #36
Okay, pay attention now: Th1onein Aug 2013 #37
They are collecting metadata on all the calls, so in that sense they're spying on all of us. pnwmom Aug 2013 #39
Sorry, but you are WRONG. Th1onein Aug 2013 #43
Then complain to your Congress people for making it legal. n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #44
Oh, I've done that. Also, I DON'T support anyone, in any way, INCLUDING OBAMA, Th1onein Aug 2013 #45
du rec. xchrom Aug 2013 #9
A friendly message from the US government to its people: Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #14
K&R NealK Aug 2013 #15
"Proof," as they construe it, is irrelevant anyway. woo me with science Aug 2013 #19
Your link had an update LearningCurve Aug 2013 #20
Thank You For That !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #22
But only to make sure their spouses aren't cheating! Or, to help the DEA arrest pot smokers. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #26
K&R idwiyo Aug 2013 #27
We just need to halt all human activity. gulliver Aug 2013 #29
There. It's been said. Having BEEN said, can we now approach the problem with some semblance cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #46
kick. nt limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #35
Kick! nt Logical Aug 2013 #38
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