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struggle4progress

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29. The credibility of the sentiments ought to be judged in context. Manning
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 08:44 PM
Aug 2013

joined the military by choice, although it does not seem finally to have been a happy match. In chats with Lamo, Manning indicated that a separation from the military for gender dysphoria was pending and spoke of being shocked by some material encountered

However, although the Army from time to time, has soldiers who discover themselves to be conscientious objectors to war, in Manning's case there is apparently no history of such a claim -- which seems somewhat odd, if overwhelming disgust and horror at the inhumanity of combat, and the behavior of some soldiers in combat, were a major motive

There is also the peculiarity of the release: the diplomatic cables, for example, do not have any immediately obvious bearing on the Iraq war, or any other issues Manning raised in the recent pardon-request statement, since some date from as early as 1966. Since Manning could not possibly have read most of the material released, the motive must have been something different than exposing particular issues, and one natural guess is that the soldier simply downloaded whatever was easy to grab. Given Manning's personal isolation in Iraq and continuing desire for close friendship with some Boston-area hackers, a second natural guess is that the soldier had hoped the Wikileaks dump would impress hacker friends. And given Manning's history of psychological difficulties, the pardon statement might also be read in the same light, namely, as an attempt to impress people. It is tragic the military did not provide the needed help, which we can only hope becomes available during Manning's further imprisonment

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If only her message would not be diminished by those who would use her gender identity issue hlthe2b Aug 2013 #1
I agree about the gender issues. Newest Reality Aug 2013 #7
I was hoping this would be the thread that would rise above it. (nt) antiquie Aug 2013 #14
I agree completely. But once again the gender issue was brought up right away whopis01 Aug 2013 #16
What a very ugly and undeserved reply to me. I won't bother, given you clearly only want a fight. hlthe2b Aug 2013 #18
Not looking for a fight at all whopis01 Aug 2013 #20
You must have been absent from DU or any other forum since her announcement then... hlthe2b Aug 2013 #21
What would make you think that? whopis01 Aug 2013 #22
Bullshit. dorkulon Aug 2013 #23
Welcome to ignore.. I have no need for such nastiness as I've seen repeatedy from you. hlthe2b Aug 2013 #25
Buh-bye. dorkulon Aug 2013 #26
That's not the way to ask for a pardon. progressoid Aug 2013 #2
Not so sure. Georgie Bush says he was right and we are wrong. God bless Murica. And I bet he rhett o rick Aug 2013 #5
He hasn't been brought to justice and neither has Dick Cheney Cleita Aug 2013 #10
The Powers To Be dont want them prosecuted. Most likely will be pardoned. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #11
She's a brave, brave person. Cleita Aug 2013 #3
She can not be pardoned. The Authoritarian State has to show the masses where they stand. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #6
You probably are right. In an interview with her lawyer, he indicated Cleita Aug 2013 #8
Yes and IMO that meets the definition of terrorism. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #12
K&R Solly Mack Aug 2013 #4
Hope and Change: GeorgeGist Aug 2013 #9
we didn't ask for it... Bully Taw Aug 2013 #13
She amazes me, and so often brings tears to my eyes. Autumn Aug 2013 #15
If only she did not consider herself the one to judge treestar Aug 2013 #17
As if you had not long ago cast aside any credibility on any GLBT issue Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #19
If only every soldier and elected official would take their Oath of Office as seriously as she has. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #24
And that's why you decided 750,000 files you never read should "be free"... jmowreader Aug 2013 #27
Kick !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #28
The credibility of the sentiments ought to be judged in context. Manning struggle4progress Aug 2013 #29
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