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MadHound

(34,179 posts)
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 05:39 PM Feb 2012

The demonization of Muslims, now in our new, Democratic flavor. [View all]

Once again(yes, US troops have done this multiple times), US forces have shown supreme cultural insensitivity in the handling of Islam's holy book, the Quran. One would think that after going through this once, perhaps twice, we would have better sense when it comes to these matters. But apparently not, and once again the US comes off looking like boors, at the least, to over a billion people worldwide.

Worse, this religious insult is added on to the stark fact that we are conducting an illegal, immoral war in Afghanistan, while continuing to violate the sovereignty of other nations, including Yemen and Pakistan. Add to this our history of imperial, armed intervention in the Middle East, with actions such as the Iraq war, a decade of deadly Iraqi sanctions, installation of our hand picked puppet rulers, etc.

So really now, is it any wonder that those of the Islamic faith are rather pissed at the US right now? It's apparently not enough for us to be involved in a military action that Bush originally launched as a crusade, but apparently we have to rub salt in the wound periodically by desecrating the Quran.

What's sad is the reaction here in the states. Rabid right wingers are insulted that Muslims are insulted, are actually joyful that Qurans were desecrated, and some take it even further, going ahead and desecrating a Quran themselves(remember Terry Jones anybody). Now, after this latest stupidity, I come onto this board here, and find people who are supposed to culturally sensitive, intelligent, tolerant, at least somewhat liberal, repeating the same sort of garbage that the right spews forth. The same epithets, the same lack of cultural awareness, the same disregard for other cultures(I could give numerous quotes here, but it is against the rules to call out another DUer and I don't want this post locked).

How dare those Muslims be offended, that seems to be the general line of thinking these days. You know what, if I had a foreign country occupying my country, having killed tens of thousands of innocents in my country, wreaked devastation upon my country, and then topped it off by burning my holy book, in my country, yeah, I'd be pretty damn mad as well.

Don't you get it, this isn't just a reaction to the burning of Quran's, this is a reaction to our ongoing illegal, immoral, imperial war that we are carrying out in a Muslim country. Yeah, burning a Quran may not seem like a big thing to you, but it is but the latest insult that we, the United States, have given to a country where we have killed innocents, leveled villages, tortured people, raped women, and killed children. Yeah, burning a Quran may not seem like much, but for many Afghan citizens, it is the latest in a long line of US perpetrated atrocities.

The best thing we can do, the moral thing that we should do is to withdraw from Afghanistan immediately. Pull our troops out, and send in humanitarian aid, reparations, and apologize for the needless death and destruction that we have caused during the past decade. It is the least we can do for a country that we invaded and occupied for no good reason.

So really now, you shouldn't be surprised at these reactions to what US forces do. It is the only way that an occupied and beaten people can express their anger against the US, and US atrocities. Doing anything else more substantial, like justifiably fighting back against such occupation, risks getting a drone fired missile landing in your house.

So yes, we should apologize. Better yet, we should leave. Not in 2014, not next year, but now, immediately. That is the only meaningful gesture of contrition that we could make that would ring true with the Afghan people. Anything else rings hollow.

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FUBAR actions in a FUBAR lost war. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #1
Gotta love the fomenting of anger towards Muslims fascisthunter Feb 2012 #2
But what about the oil pipeline? Yooperman Feb 2012 #3
Dumb mistake by a very small number of people. Don't overgeneralize. RBInMaine Feb 2012 #4
Except that this "dumb mistake" has been repeated time and again MadHound Feb 2012 #5
Invading Iraq was one of the DUMBEST mistakes fascisthunter Feb 2012 #6
The problem is the justification and defense loyalsister Feb 2012 #8
I disagree partially. Jack Sprat Feb 2012 #7
Look at the religious right in this country, MadHound Feb 2012 #9
As usual, you are exaggerating the case. Jack Sprat Feb 2012 #20
Muslims do not make a "habit" of murdering their daughters either... The Midway Rebel Feb 2012 #37
You forgot the Crusades. GeorgeGist Feb 2012 #49
do you know what islamaphobia is? La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #11
Islamophobia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jack Sprat Feb 2012 #40
Again, you are dealing in assumptions and implications MadHound Feb 2012 #42
I think arguably our Christian base would act as crazy if a foreign country was occupying them. JNathanK Feb 2012 #44
"The Moslems are not angels in their treatment of women SomethingFishy Feb 2012 #12
The only real irony is that to many Democrats it's fine to criticize "Christianity" but verboten to Fortran Feb 2012 #14
Good point. Jack Sprat Feb 2012 #21
As a Democrat and one who is flabbergasted by the Koran-burning riots, and a Christian, too Zalatix Feb 2012 #24
well put, thank you. uppityperson Feb 2012 #33
Oh I see so it's wrong to call out hypocrisy... SomethingFishy Feb 2012 #25
Democracy has no room for a holy book. That's theocracy. boppers Feb 2012 #10
Gee, tell that to the millions of Christians in our own country MadHound Feb 2012 #16
We allow burning of bibles. It's a bit different. boppers Feb 2012 #26
Yes, but we're not talking about actions in the US, but actions in Afghanistan MadHound Feb 2012 #29
The Koran is not a country. boppers Feb 2012 #47
Madhoud, you don't have any legal or moral Jack Sprat Feb 2012 #28
Yes, but unlike US forces, I don't blow entire countries, or even individuals, to hell and gone MadHound Feb 2012 #30
and to that one argument, Jack Sprat Feb 2012 #38
Gee, I don't see you standing behind me, MadHound Feb 2012 #39
No. No you don't. Jack Sprat Feb 2012 #41
Again, you are dealing with assumptions MadHound Feb 2012 #43
Your magical powers have been exposed pinboy3niner Feb 2012 #45
So very glad you put it in type Jack Sprat Feb 2012 #46
How is the accidental burning of a "holy" * book cultural insensitivity? Fortran Feb 2012 #13
Wow, thanks for proving my point MadHound Feb 2012 #17
I don't look at everything and everyone in binary terms. There are times when a Republican is right Fortran Feb 2012 #18
There are times when a Republican is right MadHound Feb 2012 #19
Yeah, well, I guess I should just embrace a religion that thinks I as a gay man should be hanged. Fortran Feb 2012 #23
And what religion are you talking about, Islam or Christianity? MadHound Feb 2012 #27
American evangelicals were behind the push in Uganda for capital punishment for gay people... markpkessinger Feb 2012 #52
A mistake? Like Oops I accidentally threw your book SomethingFishy Feb 2012 #22
Well, it sure is a convenient excuse... Fortran Feb 2012 #15
I honestly don't care if we accidentally offend religious fanatics, of any stripe. Fuzz Feb 2012 #31
Yeah, but after a decade plus in country, MadHound Feb 2012 #34
There are a lot of things going on here Union Scribe Feb 2012 #31
I agree with you about the Quran simply being an object MadHound Feb 2012 #35
No doubt there. Union Scribe Feb 2012 #36
Yeah, not be blatantly fucking stupid. TheKentuckian Feb 2012 #48
Perhaps we should occupy more religious countries Robb Feb 2012 #50
The Koran is like any other religious text Taverner Feb 2012 #51
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