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226. I am laughing with you.

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 02:43 PM

Aug 2013

What an absurd attack. But you are masterful in your ability to "give as good as you get". You run circles around Lil Cyrus Defender, and her attempts to label your observations "gross" while defending the gross performance of Cyrus.
What I saw was an adult trying to look cute, like Honey Boo Boo or Jon Benet Ramsey pretending to be grown-up. Except it was not cute, mainly because simulated masturbation on stage is not family entertainment and Cyrus is not a cute little girl.
I'm still confused about her intended message. And that's the main problem I have with the performance. When one is on stage they are there to communicate something to the audience. Unclear, ambiguous, or confusing communication is ineffective and is not what one hopes for in a performance.

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Slut shaming of Miley Cyrus is sexism and racism in action [View all] coldmountain Aug 2013 OP

It is not slut shaming. I know sluts. They have more dignity. LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #1

No stripper would be caught dead acting like that fool BainsBane Aug 2013 #6

I'm with you. LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #12

Borderline kiddie porn?!? From a 20 year old? EOTE Aug 2013 #137

It seems the "ridiculous hysteria" is yours, undulating TEDDY BEARS notwithstanding. nt LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #140

Oh, so Teddy Bears are now kiddie porn too? EOTE Aug 2013 #142

Like all things porn, kiddie or not, you know it when you see it LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #166

So, you know kiddie porn when you see it and this is definitely kiddie porn? EOTE Aug 2013 #185

Wow, you're being pretty dense. So much so that it's best that you don't venture. I agree. nt LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #246

From a 20 year old who Disney industry has made into a child idol and now she is acting in a jwirr Aug 2013 #212

I see. EOTE Aug 2013 #225

No, you don't see...because YOU WON'T see... LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #248

Who the hell is the bully here? EOTE Aug 2013 #257

LOL...now you're projecting. LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #267

perhaps the choreographer chose the imagery RedRocco Aug 2013 #191

You may be right about the choreographer having some control over the iemitsu Aug 2013 #210

No BainsBane Aug 2013 #247

Miley's brand of pseudo sexuality might be appreciated by some dirty old men. lumpy Aug 2013 #37

It's not exactly your place to decide what is what is not someone's sexuality. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #48

The point lumpy was responding to was about who would find Miley's act sexy. BainsBane Aug 2013 #80

Um..it is when it was part of a public performance. nt LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #99

Correct. n/t whathehell Aug 2013 #128

If her performance was designed to turn 'this' old man on.. Bay Boy Aug 2013 #214

I'd call it acting stupid and immature davidpdx Aug 2013 #93

Oh, the pictures do not do it justice. You can't "unsee" this LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #100

No thanks, I'll pass davidpdx Aug 2013 #108

No, I'll pass too. Supersedeas Aug 2013 #180

It's MTV - the channel that brought us JackAss... lame54 Aug 2013 #221

Well back in the day davidpdx Aug 2013 #264

I'd call it vulgar dflprincess Aug 2013 #270

I'll agree to stupid and vulgar davidpdx Aug 2013 #273

Indeed, ridiculous, Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #109

+1 Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 #112

I love this post, and want to buy it a drink. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #123

LOL Aerows Aug 2013 #148

God Bless you for this...abso*fucking*lutely. nt LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #124

! In_The_Wind Aug 2013 #158

Ding ding ding: DebJ Aug 2013 #187

Exactly Supersedeas Aug 2013 #280

Exactly. Slut shaming is wrong, but Cyrus wasn't acting slutty. Xithras Aug 2013 #171

^^this^^. nt LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #251

i agree with kelly osbourne . put your damn tongue back in your mouth Liberal_in_LA Aug 2013 #2

She was actually talking to Gene Simmons and Michael Jordan Orrex Aug 2013 #133

First thing I was reminded of is the Hindu Goddess Kali Voice for Peace Aug 2013 #217

Thanks for telling the story. I saw the 'kerfuffle' at DU and only remembered Billy Ray Cyrus. freshwest Aug 2013 #3

It's not kerfuffle. DevonRex Aug 2013 #20

!!! Kali Aug 2013 #28

:-) :-) :-) DevonRex Aug 2013 #33

I was always fond of wise sounding words like Gahfurgle, myself. freshwest Aug 2013 #39

It's a bungled bunch of Uncle Funcle's Carbuncles. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #52

LOL!... SidDithers Aug 2013 #139

Korekt. Kerfunkle it is. MineralMan Aug 2013 #143

Actually, it's Farkel...as in the Farkel Family AnnetteJacobs Aug 2013 #177

LOL! DevonRex Aug 2013 #205

I knew a kid who's family called him Farkle (a ginger)... elehhhhna Aug 2013 #242

Kerflunkle! zappaman Aug 2013 #261

.... DevonRex Aug 2013 #262

It was not entertaining, sexy or exciting. It was sick. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #4

There is a major difference between Jagger and Miley BainsBane Aug 2013 #5

Yeah, but when I was a teen I loved Jagger. And it wasn't about talent, hahaha. freshwest Aug 2013 #83

Jagger does look silly here but his moves were undoubtedly impromptu iemitsu Aug 2013 #219

Fortunately for me, I don't watch teevee anymore. So I miss all these horrors! freshwest Aug 2013 #249

And the song sucked. progressoid Aug 2013 #7

I'm way more offended by you calling this "about art" Union Scribe Aug 2013 #8

Not art no way. A flop all the way. She simply does not sex appeal, her under developed body lumpy Aug 2013 #44

Maybe her goal needent be to sex appeal you? quakerboy Aug 2013 #190

The point is that her act was not artful and failed the talent test. lumpy Aug 2013 #198

MY point is, why does it matter? quakerboy Aug 2013 #203

Well then, why are you even taking the time to respond to anyone else's take on Miley's lumpy Aug 2013 #215

If you read my limited posts on the matter quakerboy Aug 2013 #272

Miley is interpreting "rachet culture" for white people Think Progress also says "slut shaming" coldmountain Aug 2013 #47

That's a good essay. Thanks for the link. n/t Laelth Aug 2013 #116

I grew up in a different era mick063 Aug 2013 #9

Or .... dawg Aug 2013 #10

The problem I have with Miley Cyrus Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #11

Someone on FB made an interesting comment fujiyama Aug 2013 #13

I didn't like his performance either Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #16

why does she stick her tongue out like that? annm4peace Aug 2013 #14

Because she is a moron. She tries too hard to be cool and edgy, but comes off a douche. bamacrat Aug 2013 #174

I have to agree with you. It was a bad imitation of a cheap trick. Pathetic. MissMarple Aug 2013 #256

Oh, and "Piss Jesus" is pretty gross too...just so you know that each OPINION is their own. nt LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #15

Miley got the best review of the night in Rolling Stone magazine coldmountain Aug 2013 #24

Rolling Stone is right about one thing and one thing only, wild bird Aug 2013 #34

"The nation is still in recovery today" ...Oh, heavens, that sounds serious. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #50

Pray that she never does another performance like that again. wild bird Aug 2013 #55

Right. It would be a national tragedy if MTV's Video Music Awards stopped being the important Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #60

That Stipe incident is my gold standard for acceptance speeches. nt mattclearing Aug 2013 #110

Mine too. riqster Aug 2013 #152

Nice performance of it, too. Thanks for that. :) n/t mattclearing Aug 2013 #155

Totally. What was cool about it, too, in retrospect is that at least for me, it had seemed like Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #236

Her performance Dorian Gray Aug 2013 #118

Exactly - the lack of decorum and restraint in youth these days is deplorable bhikkhu Aug 2013 #164

Hah! Dorian Gray Aug 2013 #206

"Young Lady, 'twerking' is frowned upon... Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #260

Thank you. whathehell Aug 2013 #135

Rolling Stone's target audience is Adolescent/Post Adolescent Boys? Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #263

Rolling Stone should stick to commenting about politics at this point Mike Daniels Aug 2013 #129

we get it, you're a big fan. dionysus Aug 2013 #172

I don't know. Young people today with their skimpy outfits and their sexualized dancing. Nye Bevan Aug 2013 #17

HAHA! I just posted right behind your post with a similar statement. Behind the Aegis Aug 2013 #19

+2013 lunasun Aug 2013 #29

Once again, I find myself agreeing with you. Surprisingly this keeps happening. nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #31

Two of my grandkids called it the most disgusting thing they had ever seen on TV. My grandson asked appleannie1 Aug 2013 #71

And yet they kept watching her AnnetteJacobs Aug 2013 #184

Your grandkids should try watching the evening news. GoCubsGo Aug 2013 #243

They are honor students in high school and college. They will be doing homework instead. appleannie1 Aug 2013 #282

LOL... sendero Aug 2013 #98

i'm not outraged, but i think it was a bzarre and pathetic performance. dionysus Aug 2013 #179

Asinine ageist remark n/t Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #258

But they call it "music". I only hear noise. Nye Bevan Aug 2013 #259

See, back in my day, when music was music and kids stayed off the lawns.... Behind the Aegis Aug 2013 #18

+1 nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #32

When you stir shit, do you wear latex gloves? cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #21

I am trying to figure out how it is racism? Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #22

she looked silly cause the point of twerking is.....you gotta have some rump to twerk with VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #30

Thank you thank you thank you. bravenak Aug 2013 #43

"Lil mama thought she looked grown." - Your comment is gross. Please delete it. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #53

She is little. Like me. bravenak Aug 2013 #58

Frankly, I don't care what nicknames you had in your neighborhood. Show some respect... Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #63

I think you need to take a nap. bravenak Aug 2013 #66

Calling her a little mama is not a judgement of her dance skills. It's a put down... Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #67

Little mama means.... bravenak Aug 2013 #74

Do you walk up to complete strangers and call them little mama? Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #79

That what I thought. bravenak Aug 2013 #82

You're making me laugh too arikara Aug 2013 #85

At me or with me? bravenak Aug 2013 #86

With you arikara Aug 2013 #88

Why thank you. bravenak Aug 2013 #89

I just want to say BRAVO and WELL DONE. and hot damn !!! Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 #117

Glad to make your morning. bravenak Aug 2013 #120

I think you rock, bravenak! Sissyk Aug 2013 #193

Thank you Sissyk. bravenak Aug 2013 #196

lol at Dexter! Sissyk Aug 2013 #200

For sure, it must be a northern thing arikara Aug 2013 #202

I love the north so much I must be a Stark. bravenak Aug 2013 #207

I think I miss the night sky more than anything arikara Aug 2013 #277

I am laughing with you. iemitsu Aug 2013 #226

I didn't like the performance, I like a good dance number like back when Janet Jackson and TLC bravenak Aug 2013 #230

I hate to inform you that I am way older than you, so not iemitsu Aug 2013 #244

I've turned into my mother. bravenak Aug 2013 #252

:) agree. Lil mama isn't put down. And around here, yeah, i've heard mamcita used to strangers DeschutesRiver Aug 2013 #224

Thank you. bravenak Aug 2013 #227

ummm no, mamas...little mama...is a cultural nick name for little girls. Take a chill pill uponit7771 Aug 2013 #77

And she's not a little girl. That is my point. She's 20 years old. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #78

Now that's funny treestar Aug 2013 #104

I have bras and handbags older then Miley Cyrus. That's a damn fact. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #127

There's stuff pipi_k Aug 2013 #163

It's not a put down... one_voice Aug 2013 #122

as a 20 yr old....I had that body myself. It was most certainly not that of a grown woman yet. VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #72

The issue of whether or not that was a body of a 20 year old is not up for debate... Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #75

Oh baloney....no but they still wouldnt have the correct body for a Twerk....You just dont seem to VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #76

Not her forte quakerboy Aug 2013 #199

IMO, its the juxtaposition of twerking and Teddy Bears, iemitsu Aug 2013 #229

I finally broke down and watched it quakerboy Aug 2013 #274

No but I definitely wouldnt want to see YOU twerk either! VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #245

I thought/think.. one_voice Aug 2013 #121

Yup. Like when I call my BFF I say, hey ma! bravenak Aug 2013 #130

Whoaa!! Little Mama! dawg Aug 2013 #178

Yo! bravenak Aug 2013 #208

I have to intervene here. She has the body of a 20 year old because that's how old she is... Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #51

I had that body....I think I know of whence I speak... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #73

Give it a rest Shivering Jemmy Aug 2013 #115

I think your intervention failed snooper2 Aug 2013 #160

L.O.L. bravenak Aug 2013 #231

the backup dancers TorchTheWitch Aug 2013 #46

it's racism, because markiv Aug 2013 #183

Racism? Well, it was only a matter of time. Skip Intro Aug 2013 #23

I haven't seen Godwin's Principle invoked.....yet! wercal Aug 2013 #195

That's exactly what Hitler would have said. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #218

you mock the accusation of racism, but just days ago, you claimed that two killings were racist CreekDog Aug 2013 #283

that was supposed to be sexy? ohheckyeah Aug 2013 #25

Congratulations! Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #26

What she is doing is not even remotely original. Rex Aug 2013 #27

On the good side for Miley #3 and #6 on iTunes and broke all time 24hr Vevo record! Bangerz! coldmountain Aug 2013 #38

Well she does not fit the narrative of cult Disney anymore. Rex Aug 2013 #228

The funny thing is, the vast majority of shaming I've seen (at least anecdotally) opiate69 Aug 2013 #35

who is Miley Cyrus ? olddots Aug 2013 #36

I'd rather listen to Neko Case 1000 times out of 1000 enigmatic Aug 2013 #40

Or Kelly Hogan enigmatic Aug 2013 #42

I saw Kelly Hogan many times in Little Five points, she is great and underappreciated coldmountain Aug 2013 #54

Wonderful. Some of the nicest frailing I've heard in years. MineralMan Aug 2013 #150

Funny how Nashville gives Taylor Swift all this attention and Sara Jarosz none coldmountain Aug 2013 #159

While talent generates respect from music lovers, MineralMan Aug 2013 #161

Neko Case has an awesome voice. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #49

Neko Case is an awesome singer and great talent to boot. wild bird Aug 2013 #56

Indeed, that last solo album was really good. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #61

I met Natalie a few times in her 10,000 Maniacs days enigmatic Aug 2013 #57

Yeah, I've been a fan for a long time, too. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #62

Definitely A Better Singer Than Cyrus erpowers Aug 2013 #170

My problem is that she can't dance like she thinks she can. bravenak Aug 2013 #41

It wasn't "The Mentalist", that's for sure! Now that's some wholesome television. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #45

Do you watch NCIS with that nice Mark Harmon boy? My mother does! nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #134

I'll have you know, I used to change Mark Harmon's diapers! Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #237

Miley is selling a record LittleBlue Aug 2013 #59

"Is that good for everybody?" coldmountain Aug 2013 #64

No one, including from places like 4chan, are mocking her for being a "slut"... Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #65

She is being call a slut, skank, body issues,etc all over the internet while a man wouldn't be coldmountain Aug 2013 #68

She is trying to hard to be a fully matured adult Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #223

Women have fought to be recognized as more than sex toys for hundreds of years. She erased all that appleannie1 Aug 2013 #69

A single performer erased hundreds of years of work? I find that hard to believe. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #70

Don't you know sex is dirty? Women are supposed to consider it to be for children ONLY. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #81

You're right...Sex is pipi_k Aug 2013 #165

You sure know how to turn someone on. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #211

Oh yeah, baby! pipi_k Aug 2013 #235

Cher could do it. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #239

No doubt! pipi_k Aug 2013 #279

I've known women that could write their name in the snow. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #281

The bottom line is Miley is doing her best to become something she isn't ... spin Aug 2013 #84

You're absolutely correct. David__77 Aug 2013 #95

What I saw arikara Aug 2013 #87

I totally agree. (n/t) spin Aug 2013 #90

". . . about art . . . " - best laugh I have had this month DrDan Aug 2013 #91

Problem for Miley is she's entered a genre that isn't very well respected for one thing davidn3600 Aug 2013 #92

you're right Locrian Aug 2013 #156

I didn't see racism whatsoever steve2470 Aug 2013 #94

Turning oneself into an object does not equal sexual self-determination. redgreenandblue Aug 2013 #96

what she did is hardly new or unheard of... Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #97

Who's idea was it for her to act like that on stage? liberal N proud Aug 2013 #101

It was (evidently) the collective sexism of all males since the beginning of time. BlueStreak Aug 2013 #253

the stuffed animals were wierd magical thyme Aug 2013 #102

Man, Woman, Transgendered Shankapotomus Aug 2013 #103

She is shamed because her performance sucked, her outfit was ugly The Straight Story Aug 2013 #105

^^ This, x 100 ^^ Myrina Aug 2013 #138

Or maybe she was just awful. DanTex Aug 2013 #106

Sexism? Racism? Good grief, how about it was just plain lousy - lynne Aug 2013 #107

Way to devalue... 99Forever Aug 2013 #111

Oh, so you're fool shaming, then, are you? deutsey Aug 2013 #136

I wish they'd chose Beth Ditto to do a performance at the VMA Turborama Aug 2013 #113

I think she's Dorian Gray Aug 2013 #114

I thought it was an awesome show, g rated for TV. I wish she would do a show with Prince! Sunlei Aug 2013 #119

she's a modestly talented child with rehab in her near future spanone Aug 2013 #125

She looked like a talentless jackass. NCTraveler Aug 2013 #126

Jack-ass libodem Aug 2013 #216

Oh for the love of Mike.. this is exactly what she was shooting for Peacetrain Aug 2013 #131

this...yes...! pipi_k Aug 2013 #173

I agree and I think the reaction was totally overblown. The act wasn't particularly good... stevenleser Aug 2013 #132

exactly Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #146

There's just nothing about Miley Cyrus that is worthy of discussion. MineralMan Aug 2013 #141

Sometimes a twerkfest is just a twerkfest. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2013 #144

My favorite is when Mike Brzezinski went off on Miley Yavin4 Aug 2013 #145

yeah, that pic and miley's making a fool of herself twerking poorly are exactly the same.... dionysus Aug 2013 #268

Miley is an entertainer trying to re-brand herself Yavin4 Aug 2013 #271

She acts like a 12 year old at a slumber party....that was the problem for me cbdo2007 Aug 2013 #147

I mostly agree with you. dawg Aug 2013 #168

This message was self-deleted by its author Sheldon Cooper Aug 2013 #149

Racist ? No. A hootchie pole dancing dry humper ? Yes. NM_Birder Aug 2013 #151

Excellent assessment Evergreen Emerald Aug 2013 #153

Nonsense. Such hyper-sexualized behavior reinforces the view of young women as sexual objects... Adrahil Aug 2013 #154

It will go down on her permanent record Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #265

Slut shaming? one_voice Aug 2013 #157

It was, and is, just well-hyped pablum Tom Ripley Aug 2013 #162

I liked her version of Lilac Wine too, from the same session. Lucinda Aug 2013 #167

She is still being paid to be an entertainer. hamsterjill Aug 2013 #169

I can see why it's sexist, but racist? Vashta Nerada Aug 2013 #175

The key to getting a lot of clicks on DU is to cry racism in the title Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #176

I honestly have no idea why a woman that age and that wealthy markiv Aug 2013 #181

"Hey, a woman did something people are considering sexy and provocative. What did you think?" hughee99 Aug 2013 #182

"Wardrobe malfunction," my ass! AnnetteJacobs Aug 2013 #186

It's slut shaming, that's for sure. Iggo Aug 2013 #188

Someone asked her to emerge the belly of pedobear and then dance with his minions... not a good JCMach1 Aug 2013 #189

I would argue that she gets a pass because if an African American did what she did? Safetykitten Aug 2013 #192

Ding ding ding. Excellent point. anneboleyn Aug 2013 #220

I would MUCH rather........ NM_Birder Aug 2013 #233

Miley has been performing with black rap stars and has been trashed on the internet for it coldmountain Aug 2013 #275

Ahhh I may have gotten it, is the racism regarding Miley's dry humpapooloza becasue of the NM_Birder Aug 2013 #240

How to keep yourself in the public eye: wercal Aug 2013 #194

Jesus. I thought her performance sucked cliffordu Aug 2013 #197

We watched the vid last night on the tv machine nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #201

the kinds of things that can be spun into being racist is a large number these days nt David Krout Aug 2013 #204

Let's be clear on our definitions Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2013 #209

um,... LadyHawkAZ Aug 2013 #234

So.... Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2013 #254

If you're referring to her as a child, LadyHawkAZ Aug 2013 #255

She may have had a chance to be known for talent, but..... NM_Birder Aug 2013 #241

Am I allowed to "bad music" shame her? ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #213

She took bad "music" to new depths BainsBane Aug 2013 #250

Well, when the talent simply isn't there.... theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #276

The premise of the OP is absurd LordGlenconner Aug 2013 #222

I think the whole kerfuffle is sickening in general rbixby Aug 2013 #232

some might be outraged, i'm not.. i think it was a pathetic performance worth ridiculing tho. dionysus Aug 2013 #269

I agree, and it has nothing to do with gender or race rbixby Aug 2013 #278

"You're gonna make me lonesome when you go" - THAT I want to hear... polichick Aug 2013 #238

Sexually liberated woman or media-manipulated tool? intheflow Aug 2013 #266

Lets REALLY be honest: Miley is a slut-GAMER rocktivity Sep 2014 #284