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demosocialist

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178. not convinced

Thu Aug 29, 2013, 08:28 AM

Aug 2013

I don't know if we should proceed with a limited strike or not but it scares me because:

There is a multi-belligerent civil war going on in Syria and I have no clue who would succeed in gaining power.

I also have no clue how a "limited strike" or a regime change would be perceived by Iran or Russia, but my guesses seem pretty grim.

retaliation would most certainly be against innocent people of other nations, namely Israel

I liked Obama because he was against the Iraq Invasion, I really don't understand the thinking in going into Syria, if you are against Iraq. Kurdish and Iranian kids were dying by Iraqs/US chemical weapons, why is Syria more important?

Obama received a lot of votes back in 2008 because of his anti-war stance, I think I am worried most of all about what seems to be a flip flop of that stance.

The last point tells me that this has more to it than the humanitarian purposes.

I see no persuasion in your argument...

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I bleed red. I support intervention in Syria. [View all] IdaBriggs Aug 2013 OP

This is where I'm torn and I feel your pain. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #1

You should call 1-888-550-ARMY (2769). AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #2

chicken hawks never put on the uniform markiv Aug 2013 #65

They always seem to have, one might say, "other HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #107

She "bleeds red", clearly she is sacrificing her own blood for the good of Syria CreekDog Aug 2013 #132

This! AsahinaKimi Aug 2013 #100

Precisely. Jamastiene Aug 2013 #156

Would you be okay with another country using a military strike in the US 1awake Aug 2013 #3

We're Okay With Daily Gun Deaths otohara Aug 2013 #164

Actually, I have friends with family in Syria. IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #16

You don't even know what you're talking about leftstreet Aug 2013 #22

Have I *said* there was a plan to remove Assad? IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #35

Your bloodthirsty rant is noted leftstreet Aug 2013 #40

Google is your friend. Go use it. nt IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #44

You first n/t leftstreet Aug 2013 #56

Amnesty: Satellite images prove Assad violates human rights muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #141

Yet the WH wants Assad to stay leftstreet Aug 2013 #142

What makes you say that? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #143

If he left voluntarily that wouldn't be regime change? leftstreet Aug 2013 #144

What they are saying is they're not using military force to make it happen muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #145

Obama included? Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #26

"No, I will not sign up" Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #39

Well, like many of the dead, they are too young (being six). IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #46

how very convenient. magical thyme Aug 2013 #48

The situations are not the same. IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #52

So you bleed red, but not for your friends the Syrians, and magical thyme Aug 2013 #57

+ Infinity! - nt HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #109

Did the US rob Iraq? HangOnKids Aug 2013 #167

we have both back door and economic drafts markiv Aug 2013 #76

True. And the poster has made clear *she* has no intention of bleeding red or any other color magical thyme Aug 2013 #82

yup - makes me sick nt markiv Aug 2013 #85

you said you "bleed red" but you won't sign up? so those words were hollow? CreekDog Aug 2013 #133

Then you are a coward. n/t backscatter712 Aug 2013 #160

So only those acceptable to the military can have an opinion? treestar Aug 2013 #58

If you want to spout off about killing other people then sign up. Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #64

Thus everyone over 31 can have no opinion right? treestar Aug 2013 #70

Classic strawman. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2013 #118

So that applies to all older people? treestar Aug 2013 #146

More accurately they can have an opinion that agrees with you or you will call them names mythology Aug 2013 #148

+1, It was true in the Bush years, and it's true today. Marr Aug 2013 #80

it's not about 'only those acceptable to the military' having markiv Aug 2013 #81

honestly then, you need to do more research cali Aug 2013 #5

Assad needs to go. Period. IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #20

that's just ignorant as can be.. sorry, Ida, but you clearly aren't informed cali Aug 2013 #24

The "experts" have their opinion. IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #31

wow. clueless. cali Aug 2013 #38

you sound exactly like the people who had friends from iraq.. frylock Aug 2013 #121

You cannot turn a Blind eye to what your actions can Cause 4Q2u2 Aug 2013 #103

this is as well thought out as your medical experiments CreekDog Aug 2013 #135

oh, this is what I'm talking about CreekDog Aug 2013 #139

Why, THANK YOU! The nicest reply in the thread! IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #149

OFFS. In addition of being totally clueless about the situation in Syria and pushing for a bloodbath NealK Aug 2013 #172

ROFLMAO! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #173

I did some searching. NealK Aug 2013 #174

Again, Fox News worthy investigation. IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #182

Yeah, sure. NealK Aug 2013 #185

Not a problem, Faux News Guy. IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #189

"I am as informed as I feel I need to be." WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2013 #140

The US throwing more rocks in the pond won't calm the pond waters. It will aggitate RKP5637 Aug 2013 #177

Then you should also support the US marching into Jeddah and Doha and Amman and Ankara to march leveymg Aug 2013 #6

I Sympathize With Your Feelings, Ma'am The Magistrate Aug 2013 #7

I feel likewise! bobGandolf Aug 2013 #17

I support someone's intervention in... the US of A. Amonester Aug 2013 #8

I think this message might be lost on the OP HangOnKids Aug 2013 #112

Canada, please liberate us. We apologize for all the moose jokes. - nt HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #134

We can't even rebuild our own country. CJCRANE Aug 2013 #9

While the Syrian people are in a tight spot.. StopTheNeoCons Aug 2013 #10

And the hell with the aftermath? What if Iran comes to the aid of Syria? Or sinkingfeeling Aug 2013 #11

Were you also for the invasion of Iraq? rdharma Aug 2013 #12

No, I opposed the invation of Iraq. IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #21

I'll have to take your word that you weren't for the invasion of Iraq. rdharma Aug 2013 #27

I took my dogs to the march in Lansing, Michigan. IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #37

You won't bleed nearly as much as the human beings we will be bombing. woo me with science Aug 2013 #13

+Infinity! - nt HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #43

More info: There is no plan on the table to take Assad out cali Aug 2013 #14

I don't have any brothers or sisters in Syria atreides1 Aug 2013 #15

Go join. former9thward Aug 2013 #18

So you don't like murder but you like war? What do you suppose we will bomb them with? Prozac? KurtNYC Aug 2013 #19

I do not want to BOMB them; I want the leaders taken out. IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #23

It just doesn't get more clueless than advocating that we remove cali Aug 2013 #28

Yes, removing a "hereditary" rule who has amassed billions of dollars IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #41

It's what Chogyam Trungpa called "idiot compassion" cali Aug 2013 #45

Sigh. We simply have to agree to disagree. IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #51

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #60

You know, I was being okay with the disagreement. IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #127

you "bleed red"? oh, when do you go on active duty to take military action in Syria? CreekDog Aug 2013 #131

I do respect your opinion. jessie04 Aug 2013 #165

yeah, that's gonna happen. NOT A CHANCE. cali Aug 2013 #29

I'm sorry, but even Hollywood would call that script "unrealistic" Scootaloo Aug 2013 #33

Just have some of our Spec Ops troops ..... oldhippie Aug 2013 #49

Yeah, that's what I was thinking deutsey Aug 2013 #119

How, Ida? enlightenment Aug 2013 #61

You would replace one murdering asshole with some even worse murdering assholes. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #25

Which murdering asshole would you put in the previous murdering asshole's place? Scootaloo Aug 2013 #30

She said "Period", goddamit! Iggo Aug 2013 #183

I take this to mean you are enlisting right now. magical thyme Aug 2013 #32

March your happy arse over to Syria and put the hurt on them, please. n/t PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #34

I've seen this movie before. It didn't end well CJCRANE Aug 2013 #36

By far and away the most uninformed nonsense posted cali Aug 2013 #42

Couple of things wrong with that: Dash87 Aug 2013 #47

I find your ideas quite grotesque. Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #50

+1000 AsahinaKimi Aug 2013 #106

Only those Americans in uniform, will be bleeding red markiv Aug 2013 #53

Then you support Al Qaida n2doc Aug 2013 #54

Just like we did in Iraq? How'd that work out? NightWatcher Aug 2013 #55

Quite well really ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #122

In the 1970s-80s, it was viewed that a Mideast involvement would get us into WWIII markiv Aug 2013 #59

FYI - Not abandoning thread. IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #62

Who gives a shit really? Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #68

hey vinny cali Aug 2013 #71

No need, apparently. Results: Lizzie Poppet Aug 2013 #95

OMG - Juror #2, WTF???? - nt HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #111

Serious props to you for the allusion to HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #137

Go read up about the World Court. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #69

excellent point about the world court cali Aug 2013 #72

I only bothered because Ida is pontificating about how uber informed she is. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #75

Well, I appreciate it. I'd completely forgotten that most salient fact. cali Aug 2013 #77

carefully cultivated bobduca Aug 2013 #96

it's not feigned. it's real ignorance. cali Aug 2013 #97

Ok, willfull ignorance is more apt. bobduca Aug 2013 #98

Willful and active. Note that neither the OP nor those who agree with it have bothered Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #110

They aren't your troops. Dash87 Aug 2013 #89

I find your statement "I bleed red." to be offensive Marrah_G Aug 2013 #180

So stop the murders by killing more civilians? Marrah_G Aug 2013 #63

Ida, I have deep issues with folks who take strong positions while shouting false 'knowledge' Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #66

I do not.... mike_c Aug 2013 #67

If you are in Syria and we punish them, then you might just bleed red. Autumn Aug 2013 #73

So...did you join the military yet? Vashta Nerada Aug 2013 #74

so you want the US to become the murdering asshole....wow bowens43 Aug 2013 #78

You have yet to advise us which murdering assholes you would have replace Assad? magical thyme Aug 2013 #79

She refuses to acknowledge that it could be worse apres Assad cali Aug 2013 #84

Hey, the guy who ate the human heart might make a great new leader! Marrah_G Aug 2013 #87

I [Heart Symbol] Syria? New campaign sign... David__77 Aug 2013 #115

feel free to put on a uniform and 'bleed red' for real markiv Aug 2013 #83

As shameful an op as I've ever seen here, but not only because cali Aug 2013 #86

+1000 Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #88

+10 000 tsuki Aug 2013 #90

Excellent fodder for DU parody sites leftstreet Aug 2013 #93

some are so blase' about other people's kids and grandkids dying..... steve2470 Aug 2013 #124

Agreed donheld Aug 2013 #171

You don't bleed red, you bleed green. You're not alone. Gormy Cuss Aug 2013 #91

You ought to make this its own OP and build on its themes. At any rate, HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #114

completely agree, excellent point nt steve2470 Aug 2013 #126

simply amazes me that someone promotes/supports war but is not willing to do any of the DrDan Aug 2013 #92

I bleed blood too LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #94

Do you honestly believe the US can just "go in, remove that murdering asshole from power, etc." deutsey Aug 2013 #99

They said that about Iraq... backscatter712 Aug 2013 #101

It Has Only Been 10 Years But People Must Have Forgotten HangOnKids Aug 2013 #105

I've bled red, on this country's orders. I don't see a compelling interest for this country Recursion Aug 2013 #102

then what? cause the problems won't end there. rurallib Aug 2013 #104

Ultra Fail n/t whatchamacallit Aug 2013 #108

So you support al Qaeda? David__77 Aug 2013 #113

Any assistance to the rebels will aid Al Qaeda. Dawson Leery Aug 2013 #116

So once Assad goes, everything will be peachy keen? KamaAina Aug 2013 #117

pssst.. AsahinaKimi Aug 2013 #120

puhleeze--like you would if Bush were pushing for this MisterP Aug 2013 #123

my stance, not gonna copy and paste every time: steve2470 Aug 2013 #125

Hot Spots: Central African Republic, Democrati Republic of Congo, Egypt, Mali, Nigeria, Somalia, notadmblnd Aug 2013 #128

excellent point nt steve2470 Aug 2013 #152

Good thing I didn't hold my breath for an answer. notadmblnd Aug 2013 #190

Sorry - when it became obvious this was a flame fest IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #193

I didn't have any desire to call you any names. notadmblnd Aug 2013 #195

Thank you. Your post did have some good points in it, too. IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #196

Fair enough. I'm not in favor of being the Planetary Police notadmblnd Aug 2013 #197

luckily, if we take out the bad guy, no matter what happens, it will be better afterwards CreekDog Aug 2013 #129

Said the wealthy American non-combatant from the comfort and safety of home. LeftyMom Aug 2013 #130

Where next? China? Russia? North Korea? Uganda? Zimbabwe? Iran? MNBrewer Aug 2013 #136

Two things nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #138

Good luck in the war. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #147

If only it were that simple Bradical79 Aug 2013 #150

I sort of disagree JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #151

It's easy to send other people's children off to die, isn't it? I guess for some it is. REP Aug 2013 #153

Your plan sounds an awful lot like a GI Joe script except Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2013 #154

"And knowing is half the battle!" REP Aug 2013 #155

And I'm not saying it can't be done. But the question is. Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2013 #158

Duh. REP Aug 2013 #162

. Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2013 #163

It'd be nice if war was actually like a GI Joe cartoon... backscatter712 Aug 2013 #159

i understand where you are coming from... actslikeacarrot Aug 2013 #157

My eyes started bleeding red after reading this OP Oilwellian Aug 2013 #161

+1 sarcasmo Aug 2013 #194

Then suit up... fujiyama Aug 2013 #166

Let the UN inspectors do their job FloridaJudy Aug 2013 #168

Really, until we're willing to escort our own murdering assholes to The Hague dflprincess Aug 2013 #169

Amen. jsr Aug 2013 #170

That's probably because you've convinced your self they will throw flowers and will come together... dkf Aug 2013 #175

lol Sheldon Cooper Aug 2013 #176

not convinced demosocialist Aug 2013 #178

I'm not, either. So what we offer then is yet another image of the US bombing a Muslim country. calimary Aug 2013 #192

I support in making sure that his ability to war on his own people is neutralized... cynatnite Aug 2013 #179

WTF ...don't they know we are exceptional? L0oniX Aug 2013 #181

Not your first huge FAIL! mentalsolstice Aug 2013 #184

Oh and BBC found little support nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #186

The problem is the rebels are not good people, either. alarimer Aug 2013 #187

As do I. And I'm DAMN proud to do so. It's the right thing to do Number23 Aug 2013 #188

I don't Aerows Aug 2013 #191