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48. The Obama twist is new. I was reading this type of stuff back when Shrub was "Administerating"

Fri Aug 30, 2013, 10:58 AM

Aug 2013

And call me paranoid (I'm fine with that) but I find the idea of random people knowing this information disturbing:

"In theory, the information collected by smart meters could reveal how many people live in a home, their daily routines, changes in those routines, what types of electronic equipment are in the home, and other details. "It's not hard to imagine a divorce lawyer subpoenaing this information, an insurance company interpreting the data in a way that allows it to penalize customers, or criminals intercepting the information to plan a burglary," the private nonprofit Electronic Frontier Foundation noted in a blog post about smart meters."

And yes, I think the NSA is wrong and I cloak my online info as much as possible. My life is my own. Want information about it? Pay me for it on my terms.

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Energy Firm CAUGHT Breaking Down Door to INSTALL Smart Meter! [View all] Segami Aug 2013 OP

How do "Smart Meters" drive up power usage? Renew Deal Aug 2013 #1

They actually measure your power usage rather than guessing like old meters do Recursion Aug 2013 #2

And fewer corrective 'spikes' when they actually come around and check. X_Digger Aug 2013 #5

My power bill went way up for two months Warpy Aug 2013 #8

One Would Think That This New Technology With Smart Meters Would Lower Bills.... global1 Aug 2013 #9

It does for my home. I am a top 10 energy saver and my bill reflect that. bluestate10 Aug 2013 #71

Didn't the old meters "measure" usage? Renew Deal Aug 2013 #11

Old electromechanical induction meters are actually pretty primitive in design. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #14

The reason people like ME got cranky The Straight Story Aug 2013 #21

They tend to have a website linked to it. joshcryer Aug 2013 #22

Well there is a good business idea then The Straight Story Aug 2013 #23

or the error rate is remotely configurable and scaleable... nebenaube Aug 2013 #79

They also punish poor people for using AC in the day. joshcryer Aug 2013 #17

On the other hand don't they reward electric car owners who charge at night. grantcart Aug 2013 #37

Oh absolutely. joshcryer Aug 2013 #40

Doesn't seem much of a short term problem, except in isolated cases. grantcart Aug 2013 #41

Opting out in CA costs $75 per year. roody Aug 2013 #42

I think the video is fake as shit. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #67

The real 'victim' is a continuing low level paranoia. grantcart Aug 2013 #74

One man in the video claimed he was hit with an $1100 electric bill, though NickB79 Aug 2013 #27

By leaving the AC on constantly Recursion Aug 2013 #28

You can't be serious madokie Aug 2013 #30

You think I'm joking Recursion Aug 2013 #33

this is bullshit being spread by people who do not have your best interest in mind greenman3610 Aug 2013 #34

Thank you for that! A Little Weird Aug 2013 #39

Why I fucking love science. n/t TalkingDog Aug 2013 #46

Bull shit madokie Aug 2013 #35

Lol... jberryhill Aug 2013 #45

Not joking. Merely gullible. LanternWaste Aug 2013 #68

My main AC is on all day in the summer. My window unit in the office is on 12 hrs a day. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #38

May I suggest not believing everything you read on the interwebs wercal Aug 2013 #56

Sounds odd. David__77 Aug 2013 #31

My home energy company uses Smart meters. My bills are small. I am among it's bluestate10 Aug 2013 #70

Well they don't, of course. Often, the old meters are under-reporting actual usage. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #64

I don't know about the UK, but my local Smart Meters are money savers, good things. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #3

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #7

Old meters are inaccurate and don't collect time of use data. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #12

Disconnects went from 30% to 85%. joshcryer Aug 2013 #15

I know. I had mine shut off two weeks ago for late payment. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #16

Sorry to hear that. joshcryer Aug 2013 #18

Funny because when there was an outage and I was out of state I got an automatic phone call. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #20

I can think of one fear people have The Straight Story Aug 2013 #24

Toronto Hydro is not a "publicly-listed, for-profit enterprise" jberryhill Aug 2013 #4

Correct.It is owned by the City Of Toronto. The article is not claiming that Segami Aug 2013 #6

Then why did Toronto Hydro install them? jberryhill Aug 2013 #10

IMO it's all bullshit. A misinformation campaign. People assume the worst. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #13

+1 n/t FSogol Aug 2013 #57

Here's a legit article from National Geographic about Smart Meters. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #19

The Obama twist is new. I was reading this type of stuff back when Shrub was "Administerating" TalkingDog Aug 2013 #48

Here's why time of use charging is justified: NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #51

Nobody at the utility cares how many people are in your home. TalkingDog Aug 2013 #59

"and the cops have other ways including IR cameras" NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #76

Kyllo v United States: They would need a warrant. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #77

That's still incredibly disturbing. NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #78

Why on earth did they have to kick the door in? SwissTony Aug 2013 #25

They kept leaving notices on my door that they wanted to install one Raine Aug 2013 #26

I've yet to see any issue smart meters being inaccurate. David__77 Aug 2013 #29

Yes sir, you are correct. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #47

We've got our electric bill on a "monthy" budget, estimate rates by usage of previous year.... a kennedy Aug 2013 #32

last month my bill was $243, this month $329 snooper2 Aug 2013 #55

holy crap.......that was the first thing we did when we bought our home 13 years ago a kennedy Aug 2013 #65

I call Bullshit! GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #36

My electric meter is indoors. Gas meter, too...AND water meter. MADem Aug 2013 #66

My gas and water meters are inside the basement. NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #75

What the fuck? They can break in? DiverDave Aug 2013 #43

The video was faked. This is as bad as the James O'Keefe fake ACORN video. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #52

Ah, Now that weird vibe is ezplained DiverDave Aug 2013 #69

Smart meter CTs are the best... SidDithers Aug 2013 #44

Don't forget about our PRIVACIES!!11!! NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #50

Right. Cause the gov't and corps would NEVER abuse their spying power. Can't happen! Romulox Aug 2013 #53

Well, according to Alex Jones and Infowars, it's all a big conspiracy. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #58

Did you know Hitler was a vegetarian? Romulox Aug 2013 #61

The Infowars articles are instructive because they use the same BS talking points. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #62

These companies that install the smart meters should have their allowable rates reduced MNBrewer Aug 2013 #49

They can come and unhook (THEIR) lines... Historic NY Aug 2013 #54

I don't understand what these new meters are Marrah_G Aug 2013 #60

Compared to the generations old analog designed meters, they are more accurate. Also... NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #63

Why do you have the usage spike at 4pm? I am a top 10 user, I love Smart meters. bluestate10 Aug 2013 #72

That's not my graph, I just pulled it off the net. Here's a screen cap of my meter: NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #73