General Discussion

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)

26. Tell that to the leaders of Mexico and Brazil.

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 01:27 PM

Sep 2013

They may spy, but I doubt that they are reading Obama's e-mails or that they were reading them before he was elected. And I'm almost certain that neither the leader of Brazil or of Mexico spies on Obama's internet website tastes.

How utterly disgusting.

It may be done but it is offensive and if it is being done to Americans, it violates the spirit of the Constitution. It is a horrible thing to do. Watching a person's internet searches is like peering into their cabinet drawers and pulling out all the contents. It's what sick perverts do. It isn't what nations should be doing.

This is the STASI times millions all over again.

I raised two teenaged daughters to be wonderful, productive adults. I never snooped in their drawers. I never read their diaries or their personal letters. If you trust people, they will respond to your trust by being trustworthy.

No wonder the world is in such a mess. If our government is the leader, and we snoop on those we are supposedly leading, we must have very little confidence in the moral rectitude of our leadership. And rightfully so. This snooping is sick and perverted.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

115 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Greenwald's bombshell news continue [View all] David Krout Sep 2013 OP

Gee, how shocking... not. MADem Sep 2013 #1

Yet, nothing enrages a neodem like US state secrets spied and exposed whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #3

I don't really think it's a secret that the US spies on foreign countries and their leaders Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #4

Were you aware that the NSA was spying on these individuals? David Krout Sep 2013 #6

It has always been my assumption that the NSA and CIA spy on most other countries Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #7

Well, you're not the president of Mexico or Brazil. It looks like they are not too pleased sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #10

Of course they have to act outraged for their public. These are elected officials. Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #15

So All Outrage Is Artificial Outrage - Well I Guess That Obama Does Not Need To Start A War Then cantbeserious Sep 2013 #105

I wonder if Greenwald will report what countries are spying gholtron Sep 2013 #17

Spying on Obama's emails? David Krout Sep 2013 #22

If someone leaks information to him I am sure he will. Just as Wikileaks sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #30

I would like to see a Greenwald expose on arely staircase Sep 2013 #94

You are wasting your keystrokes. They will blindly follow Clapper, Mueller, Alexander, rhett o rick Sep 2013 #84

I know. Who would ever have thought that the 'left' would be so enamoured of sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #85

Shocking, except these are the same posters who take every "right" position RetroLounge Sep 2013 #88

Yes, we now know what has to be done to save the Democratic Party from sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #91

It's a big bus, but gonna get awful lonely when the only ones NOT under it RetroLounge Sep 2013 #93

I dont call any of "them" the left. They are the new conservative Democrats. rhett o rick Sep 2013 #99

I love ridiculous indignant outrage. When they probably do the same. n./t vaberella Sep 2013 #89

'Probably' isn't much of a defense. Do you have anything, as Greenwald has, to show sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #92

Sadly no. vaberella Sep 2013 #112

This thread has a strong whiff of Fail about it. Number23 Sep 2013 #97

That is the NSA's stated mission. It keeps an eye on MineralMan Sep 2013 #19

Well, Brazil is recalling its ambassador, and it's on the front pages of Mexican newspapers. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #8

Of course the media in those countries find it of interest Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #11

They are pretending not to like their emails read! David Krout Sep 2013 #18

I should hope so, considering Kerry discussed this w/Brazil over two weeks ago. MADem Sep 2013 #47

Ya think? Cha Sep 2013 #55

What it is!!! +1000! nt MADem Sep 2013 #58

Bombshell!!!!1111 Cha Sep 2013 #60

Sums it up perfectly! randome Sep 2013 #77

+1. "Repackaging" is right. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2013 #82

Nailed it... SidDithers Sep 2013 #83

As always, Cesca nails it. Number23 Sep 2013 #98

Bingo! sheshe2 Sep 2013 #104

If only they had consulted with Cali_Democrat David Krout Sep 2013 #14

Yes. I did know that the CIA and NSA spy on foreign countries Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #16

Why don't you like to use the word "Presidents"? David Krout Sep 2013 #21

Greenwald is trying to sell books. gholtron Sep 2013 #20

No, the interest is far from fading unless you want it to be that way. sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #33

Google and Microsoft Why Syzygy Sep 2013 #44

The Civil Liberties Union also and I imagine there will be class action suits from sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #75

I see... Spying = A-OK whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #23

If they'd gotten 'em with a simple hack, we'd have to play "fair game." MADem Sep 2013 #52

Ha, such bullshit whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #71

What secret? It's in Wikipedia for god's sake. DevonRex Sep 2013 #66

One wonders why Assange never released the files he had on Russia. KittyWampus Sep 2013 #5

Lol, one wouldn't wonder if one were in possession of the facts: sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #13

Those are classified American diplomatic cables, not Russian Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #106

Yes, and Wikileaks didn't try to hide them in order to protect Russia, as you implied. sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #108

My post attacked wikileaks? Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #109

KittyWampus - simple answer Iliyah Sep 2013 #24

Well, considering he DID release leaks on Russia and he's still alive that would sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #36

Tell that to the leaders of Mexico and Brazil. JDPriestly Sep 2013 #26

Our world has been a mess since the beginning Iliyah Sep 2013 #37

Not for lack of desire--you can be sure of that. MADem Sep 2013 #40

Get off the net. Leave the front lawns of the parks and city halls. JDPriestly Sep 2013 #113

Gentlemen don't read each other's mail. Why Syzygy Sep 2013 #46

They don't read Wikipedia? UKUSA. It's been in Wikipedia for years. DevonRex Sep 2013 #64

What are allies for? They should be proud that we're snooping on them. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2013 #2

That is what NSA is supposed to do -- collect signals intelligence on foreigners FarCenter Sep 2013 #9

The problem is, they the NSA, treats American citizens the same as foreign nationals. RC Sep 2013 #12

Communications of American citizens are analysed by NSA mostly when in contact with foreigners FarCenter Sep 2013 #80

And who is most likely to communicate with foreign nationals? JDPriestly Sep 2013 #114

This is where the outrage lies. Not with the OP's post. vaberella Sep 2013 #90

or old girlfriends, competitors, old friends, childhood rivals Supersedeas Sep 2013 #107

I imagine all countries spy on other countries, but this is about spying on the sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #38

I'm sure Brazil would spy on Obama's personal correspondence if they could. FarCenter Sep 2013 #79

Greenwald's Next Bombshells: Water Is Wet; Bears Shit In The Woods. baldguy Sep 2013 #25

Good point. MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #28

Lol! sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #39

I thought because of the Allende murder gopiscrap Sep 2013 #27

Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #29

who? MisterP Sep 2013 #45

Note to St Glenn: Journalists are frequently shot in Mexico, but on the bright side, UTUSN Sep 2013 #31

Huh? The Mexican President shot a journalist? David Krout Sep 2013 #34

Wow, that sounded drunken. Was there a point you were trying to make? Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #59

amazing how supposed supporters of rights and freedoms personally attack and UTUSN Sep 2013 #62

I think the member simply wanted to know what the killing of journalists have to do... David Krout Sep 2013 #68

yeah, flinging the word "drunken" in the proximity of another member UTUSN Sep 2013 #72

I did not understand your post or the point you wanted to make, either. Quantess Sep 2013 #76

Yeah, that'll help your case. Thanks for that. n/t UTUSN Sep 2013 #103

You forgot your sarcasm smilie. pnwmom Sep 2013 #32

NSA defenders will pretend this was sarcasm David Krout Sep 2013 #41

I don't care that the NSA or CIA are spying on foreign countries. pnwmom Sep 2013 #42

Another one who feels uncomfortable using the word "Presidents" David Krout Sep 2013 #48

The operative word is "foreign" not "President." nt pnwmom Sep 2013 #50

Were these individuals suspected of a crime or threatening the security of the US? David Krout Sep 2013 #61

Are these individuals under our laws and protection now? randome Sep 2013 #78

You reacted to my question with another question David Krout Sep 2013 #86

The question is irrelevant since our laws do not apply to other countries. randome Sep 2013 #100

Perhaps not. (Unless you truly believe that all men are created equal and endowed by their JDPriestly Sep 2013 #115

Are you aware of Why Syzygy Sep 2013 #51

No, I don't think we should be killing them or they should be killing us. pnwmom Sep 2013 #56

If Why Syzygy Sep 2013 #63

Spying is also done defensively, and countries that are our allies pnwmom Sep 2013 #65

Is the reason why these Presidents were spied on related to an alliance with bad guys? David Krout Sep 2013 #67

I guess we'll have to wait for Snowden to tell us. n/t pnwmom Sep 2013 #74

And, after all, they're just following orders. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2013 #53

Nothing helpful to Americans creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #35

Bingo! nt MzShellG Sep 2013 #49

K & R !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #43

If nations spying on each other deserves "meh", shrug from some people daleo Sep 2013 #54

Exactly. SOP when we do it to others, manhunts and tribunals when it's done to us. n/t whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #69

WHAT?? I CAN'T hear you!!! 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #57

How to win friends and influence people. Savannahmann Sep 2013 #70

+1 n/t Catherina Sep 2013 #73

Power run amuk! Little Star Sep 2013 #111

that kinda sounds like routine stuff Skittles Sep 2013 #81

Doesn't our government spy on all leaders and vice versa? vaberella Sep 2013 #87

Should have.... wildbilln864 Sep 2013 #95

BENGHAZI!! BENGHAZI!! ... No? Now what? Oh, OK ... SYRIA!!! SYRIA!!! Scuba Sep 2013 #96

Not really a surprise as long as there have been governments there's been espionage Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #101

"I bet" isn't news David Krout Sep 2013 #110

Are people that naive? Soundman Sep 2013 #102