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VanillaRhapsody

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79. So change means...we never ever ever ever ever ever ever....do anything about someone using chemical

Thu Sep 5, 2013, 09:50 PM

Sep 2013

weapons? Do I have that right? Not even if they kill hundreds of thousands? How many do you need to see gassed...what is your threshold?

The difference in this case....we have a democratic president and we KNOW that Sarin gas was used on those people. With Bush/Cheney...that was just something they said...it wasn't a reality. They even cooked up the little evidence they had.

I have been closely watching this administration....it definitely doesn't have that same cockiness...that smirky attitude about war and invasion....they (Bush, Cheney et. al.) enjoyed it! It was stomach churning to watch.

I do NOT believe that Barack Obama relishes an attack...I do NOT think he takes such a decision lightly...and I also know he is a man who dearly loves his wife and kids....and I believe he takes their futures into consideration in all his major decisions. His love for his family makes me trust his judgement even more. He has surprised me again and again. He is very calculating and patient. In light of all of his opposition....over and over in all sorts of situations the Republicans have tried to trip him up....he just adjusts and turns the tables back on them. I am coming to expect that now...I am going to wait patiently to see what he will do this time. I have been pleasantly surprised a number of times already. Underestimate him at your peril.

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The fear mongering that Kerry is engaging in on Chris Hayes' show is disgusting. [View all] The Link Sep 2013 OP

Kerry is flogging the war drums as hard as he can.... mike_c Sep 2013 #1

Have you EVER seen him so animated?? This is weird!! chimpymustgo Sep 2013 #3

Its disturbing. The Link Sep 2013 #5

A cyborg wearing Kerry's skin n/t whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #28

Maybe it is the mind of Dick Cheney n2doc Sep 2013 #35

It is all very weird. morningfog Sep 2013 #40

Can you prove he is wrong? Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #2

Can you prove God exists? nt Incitatus Sep 2013 #8

Nope you dont have proof, just what I thought. Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #14

The burden of proof is on the person making the claim that we have to go kill people.[n/t] Maedhros Sep 2013 #91

Can you prove he's not working for Bush? n/t Hydra Sep 2013 #12

I don't have a need to prove he is or is not working for Bush. Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #18

Then you prove that you don't actually care where Kerry's information is coming from Hydra Sep 2013 #20

The burden of proof argument went over his head. nt Incitatus Sep 2013 #22

My goodness, this is like saying if you are a citizen of the Unitef States you are guilty of every Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #23

Oh christ, Skull and Bones conspiracy theory bullshit? Really? Is that what we've become? phleshdef Sep 2013 #59

Skull and Bones is a conspiracy? Hydra Sep 2013 #61

Yep, it's exactly where this has descended to....disgusting isn't it? Nt pkdu Sep 2013 #110

How do you prove a negative? LOL VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #26

Nope, you don't have proof. Just as I thought. Iggo Sep 2013 #107

What? nt babylonsister Sep 2013 #29

He's making the assertion, he needs to prove it. Since you're defending him, cui bono Sep 2013 #21

Ok , I did not make an accusation in the first place, no one has come up with valid proof Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #24

Yes, there is no valid proof for what Kerry said. cui bono Sep 2013 #25

Did I say that, dont go off on your merry-go-round. You need to read the entire thread to Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #36

You asked for proof that he is wrong. Incitatus Sep 2013 #46

WTH, if you have proof he is lying give it up, donT beat around the bush, you do not have proof or Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #50

You can't answer it so you play word games. neverforget Sep 2013 #55

Yes, we have seen this kind of poster many times before on DU. nt Incitatus Sep 2013 #60

This. ^ cui bono Sep 2013 #92

You don't understand that burden of proof belongs to the one making the accustations, huh? nt Incitatus Sep 2013 #56

You need to respond to the link, this was the post I ask for the proof. Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #73

My assumption was correct. nt Incitatus Sep 2013 #95

Not spinning, that's why I asked the question. No reason to get upset. cui bono Sep 2013 #90

You see, you dont follow conversations very well, I ask for proof from the poster who said Kerry was Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #99

No, you don't follow logic. You see you aren't trying to discuss or deal with anything cui bono Sep 2013 #100

It is obvious you can not follow the conversation, I am still waiting for proof Kerry lied, you can Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #111

Repeating things doesn't make them true. cui bono Sep 2013 #113

which assertion is your major malfunction? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #106

You can't figure it out because I'm not playing "gotcha". cui bono Sep 2013 #112

Yes. Don't attack, watch what happens. morningfog Sep 2013 #41

No proof Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #63

Give it time. Proof. Actually, look right now proof. morningfog Sep 2013 #67

The burden is in him but, do you think Syria is in a position to attack Israel now? rug Sep 2013 #51

No proof Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #65

Is that a no? rug Sep 2013 #66

You don't have the proof either. Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #70

I'm not the one claiming Syria is threatening Israel. rug Sep 2013 #74

You lose, my thread is do you have proof Kerry is lying. Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #77

No, we ALL lose. But you'd rather play games on a message board than take issues seriously. cui bono Sep 2013 #94

It isn't "your thread" . . . markpkessinger Sep 2013 #105

I believe the onus is on the Administration to prove he's right n/t markpkessinger Sep 2013 #58

No proof Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #68

You know a negative cannot be proven, right? LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #62

yep, I understand logic, you dont have proof either. Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #69

Nope, you sure don't don't LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #76

Do you work for FOX, you spin but you dont have proof Kerry lied. Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #78

And you, obiviously, don't have proof that he's not lying. n/t dgibby Sep 2013 #81

but you went into watching it with the preconceived notion that he was going to lie... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #108

You must get all your exercise jumping to conclusions. dgibby Sep 2013 #114

lmao... cui bono Sep 2013 #119

Go for it! dgibby Sep 2013 #120

like what I said wasn't true...you didn't deny it did you? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #121

What you said wasn't true. dgibby Sep 2013 #122

It's Ok LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #85

Can you prove the Russians evidence showing that the 'Rebels' used CW is wrong? sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #72

where did that story come from RTV? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #109

Yup. The rest of the world is sitting it out.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #89

It's up to the admin to prove they're right. burden of proof on the claimant and all that cali Sep 2013 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author MindMover Sep 2013 #4

Anyone who says that Israel is in danger is lying. PDJane Sep 2013 #6

Not only that we are by treaty required to come Cleita Sep 2013 #11

Yep. We have fallen for the same bull shit Cleita Sep 2013 #7

maybe he had a bad reaction to the anesthesia from his face lift NightWatcher Sep 2013 #9

I don't think I've ever seen him so passionate about something. The Link Sep 2013 #13

perhaps there is a reason for that....He is privy to things we are not... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #27

Like he was privy to things about Saddam's WMD? Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #32

He was INTENTIONALLY given false information... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #33

Yet 22 other Senators and most of us here dflprincess Sep 2013 #48

Thing is, the millions of us who took to the streets all over the world knew it was flimsy and false arikara Sep 2013 #54

So change means...we never ever ever ever ever ever ever....do anything about someone using chemical VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #79

Who said never a bunch of evers do anything? morningfog Sep 2013 #101

All he had to do was read the unredacted intelligence report. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #75

Bullshit...WE know for a FACT that Chemical Weapons exist.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #82

Sure Saddam had CW and used them...we sold them to him. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #86

The context of those quotes is interesting karynnj Sep 2013 #93

Yeah, that's bullshit. morningfog Sep 2013 #43

Considering the fact that Putin has detailed knowledge of internal Syrian affairs... Celefin Sep 2013 #116

Maybe because he has always been against things like chemical warfare karynnj Sep 2013 #39

Always against chemical weapons? former9thward Sep 2013 #80

Why do you think Kerry countered people like McCain on the rebels? karynnj Sep 2013 #84

I think that could be... arikara Sep 2013 #37

His face is slightly tanned - he did take a few days vacation karynnj Sep 2013 #53

And the next cloud we see may be a mushroom cloud... kentuck Sep 2013 #10

Do we have an intelligent blonde CIA operative to out Hydra Sep 2013 #15

Mixed with the sparkling warters of the Gulf of Tonkin n/t deutsey Sep 2013 #118

Oh brother. City Lights Sep 2013 #16

That blood thirsty war monster voted to invade Iraq and now wants another war. Township75 Sep 2013 #17

I think I can illustrate that for you. LiberalAndProud Sep 2013 #19

This is Archduke Franz Ferndinand dflprincess Sep 2013 #52

I think something is wrong with John Kerry. grasswire Sep 2013 #30

I've been thinking that. Just not himself. nt wandy Sep 2013 #34

I thought the same thing. dgibby Sep 2013 #88

That was very disturbing. Video excerpt Catherina Sep 2013 #31

This is amazing. morningfog Sep 2013 #49

Here's the whole interview Catherina Sep 2013 #57

'discredited by their own judgments' Really. He said that. LiberalAndProud Sep 2013 #98

Really, unbelievable. The Link Sep 2013 #117

I agree and I feel bad about it because gopiscrap Sep 2013 #38

Hillary called for involvement earlier on and she supports Obama right now JI7 Sep 2013 #42

yeah but she's not as front and center gopiscrap Sep 2013 #45

usually running for president while being sec of state would not work JI7 Sep 2013 #47

You're assuming logic. There's no logic in this... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #83

Have 100,000 People Been Killed? otohara Sep 2013 #44

Well shit,when are we invading China then? North Korea? Myanmar? LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #64

Always knew it wasn't about some dead children Carolina Sep 2013 #71

Israel is not in danger, they are heavily armed and they have the United States, Autumn Sep 2013 #87

when did Iran invade another country? Just more lies WillYourVoteBCounted Sep 2013 #96

TERRA!!! TERRA!!! TERRA!!! DeSwiss Sep 2013 #97

On another note...looks like Kerry had a face lift...is it just my imagination? libdem4life Sep 2013 #102

This bullshit sounds just like Iraq all over again. Kerry could doc03 Sep 2013 #103

I agree. Kerry is acting in a disgusting fashion. David__77 Sep 2013 #104