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Xithras

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6. Yes, there were a lot of guns in the parks before they were legalized.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 12:22 PM
Sep 2013

It was the old "Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6" mentality. Backcountry hikers on the PCT and in large parks like Yellowstone would carry them as a last line of defense against bears and wolves (rule #1: "you shoot it, you bury it&quot .

Prior to the Coburn amendment, people carrying firearms in the parks would keep them secured and hidden away because they knew that being spotted with one meant their arrest and, at a minimum, steep fines and the permanent loss of a several hundred dollar firearm. The Coburn amendment brought the firearms out into the open and relaxed the atmosphere around them, so you now see them in developed campgrounds (where they were almost NEVER seen previously), and laying around on tables. It's empowered the wannabes and paranoids to bring their guns into the park, and relaxed the hyper-vigilance that used to be displayed by those who carried them.

I don't really have a huge problem with allowing SOME firearms in the parks, but the Coburn amendment went too far. It should ONLY permit them in the backcountry, and should require that they be secured to a person, or secured by locking devices, at all times. Having an unsecured firearm sitting unattended in a park should be a felony.

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Hmmm. yesphan Sep 2013 #1
It is confusing. A better word might have been "controlled" by her father. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #2
Hmmm... 2naSalit Sep 2013 #3
The Feds will handle this as the park existed before any of the states were founded. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #4
Yes, there were a lot of guns in the parks before they were legalized. Xithras Sep 2013 #6
You're the first to make a cogent argument tying the amendment to people's action, Zithras. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #9
there are tons of good arguments mikeysnot Sep 2013 #12
Agreed 2naSalit Sep 2013 #15
Except there hasn't been a reported shooting in the Park in over forty years UNTIL Bandit Sep 2013 #16
That 2010 amendment was one of the more cowardly things Congress ever did... joeybee12 Sep 2013 #5
I agree it was pointless. I don't think, however, that the amendment caused this girl's death. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #7
I think some gun owners would think twice... joeybee12 Sep 2013 #8
As Xithras so eloquently explained, the amendment invites carelessness. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #10
Yup, you'd keep it hidden; this guy had it out in the open...nt joeybee12 Sep 2013 #11
"I think guns have been going into parks as long as there have been guns and parks," mikeysnot Sep 2013 #13
Well, I can base it on a lifetime of backcountry hiking. Xithras Sep 2013 #14
... 2naSalit Sep 2013 #17
"TeeVee edumacation is a dangerous thing." is really uncalled for in this discussion. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #18
Lol. Xithras Sep 2013 #19
I agree with points made here 2naSalit Sep 2013 #20
Her name was Ella Marie Tucker. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #21
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