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msanthrope

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44. Seabeyond... as a woman who speaks for other women, do

Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:27 PM

Sep 2013

you think that the cause of women would be better served by your being able to rationally discuss the disposition of evidence in a rape trial? I think it would be, and I am implore you to do so.

FYI..the victim in this case was not "fucked." She was raped. There's a difference. The former implies a consensual act. The latter is a horrible crime of violence. But the responsibility for that violence is not hers...it should be theirs.

Courts in America do not suppress evidence generally. I don't see a reason for court to do so here.

In reading your response it seems that you have conflated the difference between evidence being available in a courtroom and evidence being available in the media. As I restricted my discussion to the former I would implore that you do so too when addressing me.

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An Ugly Rape Case Involving Vanderbilt�s Football Team Could Get Much Uglier [View all] coldmountain Sep 2013 OP

"alleged victim" sigh (nt) antiquie Sep 2013 #1

until there is an actual conviction on charges, everyone involved is "alleged" nt msongs Sep 2013 #3

Wow. I had no idea. antiquie Sep 2013 #6

Yes, or at least prove a crime occurred Nevernose Sep 2013 #11

I thought they had proof of the crime, antiquie Sep 2013 #25

Alleged: antiquie Sep 2013 #43

If you report it any other way than that, you can be sued. nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #20

I think the usual defence makes a difference. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #38

Crystal Mangum was an alleged victim of the Duke Lacrosse team. pnwmom Sep 2013 #4

But unusual in that respect. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #39

That is true. But the same arguments you make here were made in her case. pnwmom Sep 2013 #40

false rape falls along 2-3%. along with all other crimes. interesting point in your post above. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #41

I think you claim far more confidence than the evidence justifies. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #42

"I was just having a little fun!" chervilant Sep 2013 #2

Rape is a terrible crime; but this accusation still remains to be proven in court. n/t pnwmom Sep 2013 #5

Lots of anonymous sources, no real evidence that Franklin tried to cover it up... Hippo_Tron Sep 2013 #7

As often? I'm afraid I think that your claim, while technically accurate, is probably misleading. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #12

Considering the overwhelming number mythology Sep 2013 #13

It is odd that you substitute 'socio-economic status' for the '4.0 and high SATs' the other poster Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #33

Equals, no, but there's correlation. Not sure it's relevant here, though. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #37

Show me evidence to the contrary... Hippo_Tron Sep 2013 #53

Failure to report the incident...of which he was aware...is going to be the basis msanthrope Sep 2013 #14

I don't see how in this case. Sissyk Sep 2013 #27

The surveillance tape isn't the issue...it's the other media evidence. Apparently msanthrope Sep 2013 #45

Well, it may happen, I guess. Sissyk Sep 2013 #48

This is the first article I've seen trying to place Sissyk Sep 2013 #26

that is how i have read it. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #29

Interesting once again the priveledged gopiscrap Sep 2013 #8

BTW Welcome to DU gopiscrap Sep 2013 #9

Thank you coldmountain Sep 2013 #10

There's video that will become public soon. Let's see who is smart msanthrope Sep 2013 #15

a rape video coming out for public viewing? well, as long as we are all entertained, ... seabeyond Sep 2013 #16

Video from the hallway security camera, I would assume. tammywammy Sep 2013 #17

let us hope. that is all. presonally, sounds to me like people are handling this much more seabeyond Sep 2013 #18

I wouldn't be too sure of that. in particular the ancillary charges didn't get laid because msanthrope Sep 2013 #22

I'm not sure about that, tammywammy. Sissyk Sep 2013 #28

Evidence tends to be public. And why shouldn't it be public? nt msanthrope Sep 2013 #19

why shouldnt the degradation and abuse and rape of an unconscious girl be made for everyones view? seabeyond Sep 2013 #21

I think it should be handled as all other evidence of other crimes is handled. msanthrope Sep 2013 #23

this is NOT like all other crimes. so the lawyer in you would know what an asinine argument seabeyond Sep 2013 #24

+1 JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #32

Seabeyond... as a woman who speaks for other women, do msanthrope Sep 2013 #44

video to become PUBLIC soon. now, if you were not talking public public, but court public, seabeyond Sep 2013 #47

As the article indicated, in 2 weeks there is a court hearing. Court. Open to msanthrope Sep 2013 #49

Ugh Stargazer09 Sep 2013 #30

That poor young woman is heroic for staying at the school to finish her degree. seabeyond Sep 2013 #34

Yet they took back Marcus Dixon's full football scholarship after he was released from prison. RiffRandell Sep 2013 #31

That wasn't Vanderbilt. n/t Sissyk Sep 2013 #35

Wiki disagrees. KamaAina Sep 2013 #46

My bad!! Sissyk Sep 2013 #51

This case appears to be a situation Jenoch Sep 2013 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author Sissyk Sep 2013 #50

+1 Sissyk Sep 2013 #52