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Jakes Progress

(11,213 posts)
22. More "common wisdom"
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 02:09 PM
Mar 2012

Apples prices aren't higher. Outfit any device with the same features and it will cost the same. I've priced them for a dozen companies. You toss out the loss leader package in the Dell or HP or Sony and fit it up the same as a comp Mac and the price difference is negligible.

And you are the one who needs to understand why Apple is the target. Apple hate. Using Apple as a target actually lessens the chance that there will be changes in the labor sector. It give a warm fuzzy to the Apple haters who are using devices made the same way. The only thing that will make a difference is if people begin boycotting tech altogether. Then buy, at the much higher cost, a device made by a company that enforces rules or makes them here. I'm using a four year old phone and a seven year old computer. I have the wherewithal to buy current tech, but eschew doing so because there is no alternative.

It's the same thing in many walks of our capitalistic world. We make decisions that go against our principles in small ways every day. Maybe we pick up some bread in 10 minutes at the WalMart instead of going without until the Week-end farmer's market. We go ahead an eat a hamburger though we've seen those photos of corporate feedlot practices. There are grass fed alternatives, but they cost more and take more effort. Maybe we get a small suv instead of a car that does better mileage. Maybe we drive to work instead of taking a bus because it is a pain to stand out there in the cold waiting for the public transit.

Having a big old bad guy to hate and avoid only dodges the issue. If you want to change the labor conditions for foreign workers or promote USA union made goods, you have to deal with all of them - not just the one in the spotlight.

And you can rid yourself of your "biggest disappointment". Your understanding of manufacturing needs and numbers is without any substantiation. The last decent estimate I saw of how much a USA mad I-Mac would cost was near seven grand. There is a great deal more than labor costs involved. Infrastructure and skilled labor availability. China has made a point of producing engineers and roads and connecting transport and compacting suppliers while our country has dropped those things from its agenda.

Good motives. But targeting Apple is only a cheap stunt that won't affect a damn thing. Will actually exacerbate the problem. Do keep up the drumbeat for change with whatever company you support with your purchases. But if you aren't an Apple customer, your opinion means nothing to them. Fuss at the people you are giving money to.

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That's just how it is. Some one, or in this case some company, is going to be made the example. jillan Feb 2012 #1
Indeed, people need to focus their anger on one target. Zalatix Feb 2012 #2
that might work if they were not already there nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #31
The thing about Apple is that they don't need cheap labor to make a profit. wilsonbooks Feb 2012 #3
It's not about money. Apple has plenty. xenie Feb 2012 #14
Actually, you're all mostly wrong frazzled Mar 2012 #26
That argument they use is total bullshit. Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #30
You said "synergy." WilliamPitt Mar 2012 #32
Evidence of short term memory. Jakes Progress Feb 2012 #16
Hey, who ever said taking the high road is easy. Pholus Mar 2012 #19
More "common wisdom" Jakes Progress Mar 2012 #22
Targeting Apple is just a cheap stunt? You've just agreed with me that the FLA is a sham then. Pholus Mar 2012 #27
Play your games. Jakes Progress Mar 2012 #28
You're right. I thought I started neutral but I have BECOME a "hater." Pholus Mar 2012 #33
This thread wasn't supposed to be the inane Jakes Progress Mar 2012 #37
Oooooh, such a good try, but not quite. Pholus Mar 2012 #39
Made in U.S.A. not more expensive--Apple not so good any more xenie Mar 2012 #21
You are operating on bad information. Jakes Progress Mar 2012 #24
His ideas on how much it costs to make things here are correct. YOU are uninformed. Zalatix Mar 2012 #42
Allstate has been outsourcing to a company called Genpact in New Delhi derby378 Feb 2012 #4
You make an example of the worst offenders. Which is more important, the bankers, or the... joshcryer Feb 2012 #5
Nope. uberblonde Feb 2012 #6
The most odius thing? Every evil news story about Apple? Stocks go up. joshcryer Feb 2012 #8
As the outsourcing wave started that started too. Pholus Mar 2012 #20
I thought you were going to mention their vulnerability now AnotherDreamWeaver Feb 2012 #7
That's kinda petty. Windows has been vulnerable forever. Linux is also potentially vulnerable. Zalatix Feb 2012 #9
ANY computer that connects to the outside world is vulnerable. hobbit709 Mar 2012 #35
If there's so many more PCs than Macs, how come Apple is so prominent? saras Feb 2012 #10
Apple is a big player in the mp3 player market, the tablet market and the cell phone market. Zalatix Feb 2012 #11
Apple didn't back out of the PC market Art_from_Ark Feb 2012 #12
The problem is by attacking Apple you're attacking the company that's doing the best jeff47 Feb 2012 #13
Hardware vs software -- Apple's done us wrong xenie Feb 2012 #15
Microsoft's hardware is built by Foxconn jeff47 Feb 2012 #18
Microsoft has less software than Apple xenie Mar 2012 #23
MS is a bad company, but the problem here is Dell, and HP, and Sony and . . . Jakes Progress Feb 2012 #17
But people make good money by investing raouldukelives Mar 2012 #25
And THAT includes nearly every dollar in our retirement funds. saras Mar 2012 #29
Then "our" retirement funds are poisoned. Zalatix Mar 2012 #38
Apple rips off people on their pricing. hobbit709 Mar 2012 #34
They're paying for the marketing that's used to suck them in maximusveritas Mar 2012 #41
One bad Apple ... GeorgeGist Mar 2012 #36
.. mdmc Mar 2012 #40
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