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89. AMERICA WAS MUCH BETTER OFF BEFORE WE HAD FOREIGN CARS! How did we survive without Toyota?

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 12:59 PM

Sep 2013

You keep quoting old inaccurate information. The Ranger was never made by Mazda. In fact the last version of the Mazda B-series truck was a rebadged Ford Ranger made by Ford in Ford factories, Mazda also sold a rebadged Ford Escape as the Mazda Tribute. The reason Ford allowed this was because some Americans stupidly think that if has a Japanese nameplate it must be better
http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1039871_breakup-alert-mazda-ford-end-shared-vehicle-development

Even cars.com which is a shill for the foreign car companies now has the F150 as tops in American content. The cars.com survey doesn't include white collar jobs, engineeering design, subcontractors and other variables,

http://www.cars.com/go/about/us.jsp?section=P&content=rel&date=20130625

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Why is there a crusade against Apple products but not foreign cars? [View all] coldmountain Sep 2013 OP

Many "foreign" cars are manufactured on American soil. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #1

This is correct. Travis_0004 Sep 2013 #3

You can buy a UAW car just as easy as a Camry BUT DON"T EVER BITCH ABOUT APPLE coldmountain Sep 2013 #11

Most prominent models by American auto companies are based on foreign designs... Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #19

Here's a survey that accounts for that globalization and JapanInc cars still don't do so well coldmountain Sep 2013 #54

Toyota hires americans Travis_0004 Sep 2013 #113

An American car company would have hired them to build cars if JapanInc wasn't here coldmountain Sep 2013 #115

I don't think so Travis_0004 Sep 2013 #121

The Fusion is selling so well against the Camry it's coming back to Flat Rock Michigan USA coldmountain Sep 2013 #128

my cousin works at Toyota in Kentucky d_r Sep 2013 #66

Many aren't like all the subcompacts listed above and they cost way more jobs than iPhones coldmountain Sep 2013 #6

Honda CR-V, Crosstour, Civic, Odyssey, Pilot, Ridgeline, Accord; Acura RDX, ILX, MDX, TL and NSX... Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #9

Over 30% of foreign cars come from outside North America and they cost a lot more than iPhones coldmountain Sep 2013 #13

Let's try to address each issue individually instead of mashing them all together. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #15

"All Infintis are made in Japan". Not true. A HERETIC I AM Sep 2013 #18

Right to work states suck Go Vols Sep 2013 #38

Yes they do. A HERETIC I AM Sep 2013 #48

Protip: Most of the Big Three makes offer hybrids KamaAina Sep 2013 #96

It matters where the profit goes. Barack_America Sep 2013 #7

With the effects of globalism, where the company headquarters exist becomes largely irrelevant. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #10

JUST NOT TRUE! Honda's domestic percentage falls 10%+ when management and design factored in coldmountain Sep 2013 #24

Can you provide some evidence for these claims against Honda? Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #27

Honda ordered to pay out in racism lawsuit coldmountain Sep 2013 #37

It sounds like a poorly managed plant run by racist assholes. Not sure how that condemns Honda... Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #42

American car companies are very diverse! Where's Honda's Welburn, Gilles or women executives? coldmountain Sep 2013 #52

So essentially you're saying having one black guy makes a company diverse. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #55

Detroit's executives are diverse. I just picked out 2 well known African American CEO's coldmountain Sep 2013 #59

It's called selection bias. About 1% of all Fortune 500 CEOs are black. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #60

We weren't discussing Fortune 500 companies, we were discussing domestic automakers. Romulox Sep 2013 #73

Wow. Did you just ask where the "African American" folks are? telclaven Sep 2013 #78

Not a surprise to see you take this line. nt Romulox Sep 2013 #72

Apple's Untaxed Overseas Profits Fuel Calls for Corporate Tax Reform frylock Sep 2013 #92

Because Apple simply sucks. nt darkangel218 Sep 2013 #2

Many reasons but one is that Apple products tend to be more expensive, out of reach of many. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #4

Like a Lexus, Acura, Mercedes, Infiniti, 4runner etc aren't out of the buget ot most Americans? coldmountain Sep 2013 #14

I hate Mercedes and BMWs. Not the point. Apple products are tools to me. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #17

I don't need a luxury car. I do need an iPhone and iPad. I have two disabled family members and both liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #40

I have yet to meet anyone Go Vols Sep 2013 #43

I could never figure out my RazR, or girlfriend's Samsung, but iPhone is intuitive. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #44

you haven't seen my husband. He is legally blind and he knows his way around that phone. In fact, he liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #50

Your comment epitomizes the very points that you espouse against non-apple users. defacto7 Sep 2013 #29

I'm glad you're happy... (nt) NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #31

YES!! d_r Sep 2013 #67

Build your own car! You may come up with something exceptional. defacto7 Sep 2013 #88

many "foreign owned company" cars are made in the USA , so buying a foreign owned/usa made JI7 Sep 2013 #5

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE $12 BILLION WORTH OF CARS 100% MADE IN JAPAN AND SOUTH KOREA? coldmountain Sep 2013 #8

Good post and thanks for the article link Populist_Prole Sep 2013 #21

Japanese won't buy Korean cars but dumbass Americans shoot our economy in the ass with Japanese cars coldmountain Sep 2013 #36

Interesting, but brutally pragmatic action there Populist_Prole Sep 2013 #53

Odd the reliance we humans place on the imaginary. LanternWaste Sep 2013 #102

Buying a "transplant" car doesn't help workers as much as buying union made American car coldmountain Sep 2013 #26

Part of it has to do with the oligopoly that is the telecomm industry BlueStreak Sep 2013 #12

What, you couldn't work The South into this somehow? cherokeeprogressive Sep 2013 #16

post 11 JI7 Sep 2013 #20

He's gettin' to be a one trick pony. n/t cherokeeprogressive Sep 2013 #22

We have a Honda civic hybrid, when Detroit was not making them nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #23

I have a Honda Civic Hybrid first generation (2003) defacto7 Sep 2013 #35

Due to the trannie issues nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #46

The Chevy Sonic? You mean the Daewoo...oh, nevermind. flvegan Sep 2013 #25

Shhhh....just...just let it go. Not sure that will have any impact here. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #28

Chevy Sonic is built by the UAW in Orion Michigan coldmountain Sep 2013 #30

The design for the new Sonic is based on collaboration with Fiat and Opel. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #34

All these very small cars are designed abroad but Sonic is the only one built in the USA coldmountain Sep 2013 #39

So you have reneged on your previous comments on foreign design? Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #45

READ IT AND WEEP! Honda FiT is only 1% American Even with Korean design-Sonic 75%! coldmountain Sep 2013 #49

10% less American? MOTHER OF GOD. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #57

I'm for as much American content as is reasonably possible, you're apologist for JapanInc globalism coldmountain Sep 2013 #61

I'm not an apologist. I just support beliefs based on reality. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #62

You are flat wrong. nt Romulox Sep 2013 #75

Prove it. flvegan Sep 2013 #114

Chevy Sonic only subcompact built in the USA with 75% US content vs 1% domestic content for Fit coldmountain Sep 2013 #116

Meanwhile in Japan, Art_from_Ark Sep 2013 #32

I don't think many of the issues people have with Apple hughee99 Sep 2013 #33

bingo. Niceguy1 Sep 2013 #41

i dislike apple because of their shitty, sappy commercials.. frylock Sep 2013 #93

I've not read that foreign cars are made with forced labor madokie Sep 2013 #47

Here you go---The Dark Side of the Toyota Prius coldmountain Sep 2013 #56

Japanese court rules Toyota employee died from too much work coldmountain Sep 2013 #58

That's not because the stories don't exist. You must've missed them. nt Romulox Sep 2013 #74

Partly because Apple acts like a whiny baby when they no longer hold the biggest market share. cui bono Sep 2013 #51

I buy used, when I can afford it, my car was manufactured in California at an UAW shop... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #63

Several problems with your suggestion Savannahmann Sep 2013 #64

cars.com is a shill for Toyota and Honda. Other surveys show JapanInc doesn't do as well coldmountain Sep 2013 #81

So you choose to ignore the truth because you don't like the messenger? Savannahmann Sep 2013 #87

AMERICA WAS MUCH BETTER OFF BEFORE WE HAD FOREIGN CARS! How did we survive without Toyota? coldmountain Sep 2013 #89

I didn't even mention the Ranger in my follow up. Savannahmann Sep 2013 #90

The more accurate survey counting all aspects has the top 26 vehicles made by American makes coldmountain Sep 2013 #94

So a group fronted by Chrystler, Ford, and GM say that the Foreign cars built here aren't? Savannahmann Sep 2013 #98

What about the Kogod Business school survey that proves what the US carmakers point out? coldmountain Sep 2013 #100

Perhaps you didn't notice that the second link was to ABC news. Savannahmann Sep 2013 #104

Thanks for just saying it! You're a self centered anti-union globalist saying you're a progressive coldmountain Sep 2013 #105

Amazing. Simply amazing Savannahmann Sep 2013 #109

LOOK AT YOUR OWN LINK! Ram best fullsize truck!Fusion best hybrid! Chevy&Ford 2nd&3rd best compactsO coldmountain Sep 2013 #110

Your link made my point! THERE"S NO REASON BEYOND PREJUDICE TO BUY A JAPANESE CAR ANYMORE! coldmountain Sep 2013 #111

Apple charges 50 bucks for a two-bit VGA adapter ucrdem Sep 2013 #65

You're clearly new here if you think that. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2013 #68

Maybe the workers committing suicide in Apple factories are the problem. Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #69

A 'crusade' against something because it's foreign is not something good muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #70

People are hypocrites. I once had DU's leading Teachers' Union advocate tell me, Romulox Sep 2013 #71

I'm sure I'll never see these DUers lamenting the decline of the middle class. Barack_America Sep 2013 #84

Apple is so awesome to work for, HappyMe Sep 2013 #76

silly me i thought it had something to do with sweatshops in china dembotoz Sep 2013 #77

Toyota Prius makes the list of 15 most notorious sweatshops of all time! coldmountain Sep 2013 #83

The Toyota You Don't Know The Race to the Bottom in the Auto Industry coldmountain Sep 2013 #85

First you seem to lump nations into a group 'Asian' as if all Asia is the same. Not keen Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #79

Ok, Japan and South Korea. Is that better? coldmountain Sep 2013 #80

Not really. And what about the rest of what I posted? Too much for you? Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #125

I bought an American car the same week my parents bought a foreign car tabbycat31 Sep 2013 #82

I "crusade" against automobiles and Apple. hunter Sep 2013 #86

Why do people hate Microsoft, but own a PC? Rex Sep 2013 #91

A used Apple computer costs more sometimes than a brand new basic PC coldmountain Sep 2013 #95

Because M$ has noting to do with it? I have a house full of "PCs" and not one scrap of M$ Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #131

IBM-PC compatables, you knew what and who I was talking about. Rex Sep 2013 #141

Why only "foreign" cars? JackRiddler Sep 2013 #97

I never heard of a Mazda2 Slave Sweatshop...nt joeybee12 Sep 2013 #99

Disgruntled worker drives over people at Mazda plant in Japan, killing 1 and injuring 10 Read more: coldmountain Sep 2013 #108

Is this another car buyer shaming post? MineralMan Sep 2013 #101

All car dealerships in the USA have American workers even if the car was imported from Mars coldmountain Sep 2013 #107

Thanks. MineralMan Sep 2013 #112

Because Apple is considered a librul company. xfundy Sep 2013 #103

But Toyota also uses "slave" workers to build Priuses coldmountain Sep 2013 #106

Link? Travis_0004 Sep 2013 #122

Good try, but it's an argument I've given up making here. Union Scribe Sep 2013 #117

NOW THAT CONSUMER REPORTS SAYS THE 2014 CHEVY IMPALA IS THE BEST SEDAN THEY EVER TESTED coldmountain Sep 2013 #118

Apple products are made with slave labor AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #119

So is Toyota Prius and a lot of Japanese cars coldmountain Sep 2013 #120

No Japanese cars for me then AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #123

And the foreign cars were, in fact, far better... n/t Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #124

Foreign workers, in general, are better. That's why outsourcing is so profitable. nt Romulox Sep 2013 #126

I don't agree with that. Foreign workers are generally much cheaper, but it is, Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #127

Doing the same work for less pay means better efficiency. It's definitional. Romulox Sep 2013 #129

If they did the same work, that would be a valid point, the truth is however, that they don't. Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #130

That's not for you to judge. The market has decided, and it wants CHEAPER, not "better". Romulox Sep 2013 #133

Some Japanese workers are paid well but contract workers are virtually slaves coldmountain Sep 2013 #134

Prepare for a gazillion excuses sufrommich Sep 2013 #132

I swore off American cars years ago, but my next car will be a Ford. Xithras Sep 2013 #135

Congratulations for buying an actual American car built by the UAW coldmountain Sep 2013 #136

Yep. Xithras Sep 2013 #137

I wonder how many more electric cars we would have if Al Gore was POTUS? coldmountain Sep 2013 #139

I drive American cars. JNelson6563 Sep 2013 #138

Hi Zalatix... Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2013 #140