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In reply to the discussion: Why is there a crusade against Apple products but not foreign cars? [View all]Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)Absolutely conceding the point.
Since that was the only point you scored, I can understand you running back to it constantly.
The redesigned Ford Pick ups may be starting with 75% of their parts made in America, but that is not the history we are talking about. Now, they barely beat out several "foreign brands" by the skin of their teeth. Notice I say several foreign brands. You utterly ignored the Chevrolet Cruze that is more foreign than domestic. So how am I serving the nation by buying one of those? And what nation would I be serving?
10% of the Ford Fiesta is American made. I suppose we did have to throw the plastic dashboard at the local economy as a nod right?
20% of the Ford Fusion is built in America. Go USA.
40% of the Chevrolet Volt is built in the USA, and the President took a tour of the plant to celebrate American Ingenuity.
Yet again, the points that make my side look good. Many so called foreign cars are made in the United States using domestically sourced components. Some even surpass the American Brands.
The Unions in question make up a small portion of the Union Workforce in the nation, and are the only ones who have shills out ranting that we need to support them over all others. The ILA isn't out there screaming that we need to buy cars that go through their ports, but I digress.
Finally, another point you ignored and must go to me is the reliability and quality issues. The value for money point is again given to me.
That leaves one point for you. That the Ford Ranger isn't a Mazda anymore. You win that point.
So that's three unanswered points to me, and one unanswered point to you. Finally let's close this down before you start throwing inanities at the problem. White Collar Jobs. Those same white collar jobs exist in the Foreign Car plants too. There are plant managers at the factory that makes the BMW in South Carolina (The X-5 uses 30% American parts beating the Ford Fusion). You could argue that they are foreigners. Foreigners who buy houses on the local economy, buy groceries on the local economy, buy clothing from stores on the local economy, and pay taxes on the local economy. I don't care if the guy was born in Germany, or Gibraltar. They are participating in the local economy, which you ask the rest of us not to do because they don't have a traditionally American name on the plant.
Kia may have Korean Executives in their plant in Georgia, but again it's not like they commute to Seoul every night. They go home, eat food purchased here, pay taxes here, and participate in the American Dream. Unless of course you're the first Democrat since WW II to be against immigration.
You are utterly disproven, discredited, and dismissed. You scored one point, one out of the entire debate. You eschewed the first link I provided, and then ran to the same source to prove a point later, a point that was irrelevant. Because even in your article, there were as many "Foreign" makes and models that were majority Domestically made as there were Domestic brands.
You may have an overall point to make, but much like some white supremacist neighbors I had once, that point is not in the same timezone. Those idiots tried to chastise me about my Toyota, and I pointed out that it was more American than their car was. Then they told me they really preferred American Muscle, like the Ford Mustang. Which I told them had almost half it's stuff made in Mexico including but not limited to the Exhaust system.
American Made is a lie in the modern world. Even American Made often includes parts made under NAFTA in Canada.
The ILA appreciates your support of their efforts and hard work to put food on the table and take care of families.