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13. and the rest is still nothingness. There is no viable coalition outside of the two parties
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 02:44 PM
Dec 2011

You need numbers to forge any new political direction, especially if you are talking revolutionary change. The obvious flaw in such reasoning as you've expressed here is that there is NOTHING in place outside of that political system which has ANY means of delivering on the very things you say you stand for.

Moreover, you're merely trying to influence the same political system as everyone else, albeit, promising some benefit from a type of anarchical posture against the 'system.' As inefficient, sometimes counterproductive, often idle, and sometimes threatening as our political system is, it is still the ONLY mechanism in place to even begin to deliver on the things folks say they want.

I think it's fine and admirable to push for an alternative, while railing against the present system. But, you can't then, credibly compare your NOTHING as a superior alternative against that political system. Show me the path to the jobs folks say they want. Not a winding, generations-long struggle to regain our footing after we've relinquished ourselves to the opposition (who manage to get what they want out of the government they say they, too, despise). Show me how your rebellion produces health care. Not in a couple of presidential election cycles.

Show me how you produce things like lifting the ban on pre-existing conditions. Show me how you manage to rescue the jobs of millions of folks in the auto industry with a political dream that you have shown little to none of the numbers of supporters willing to abandon the present system and sign on to your new and more enlightened one.

You've got a hand full of nothing more than a wish and a prayer and you still have the temerity to denigrate the folks who've managed to coalesce and work to actually reconcile the myriad of disparate and diverse interests, ideals, and concerns which are represented in our political system.

Railing from the outside is interminably righteous. It's much harder to work to forge the necessary coalitions of support to actually advance our ideals into action or law.

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I chose Biden - still think it was a good choice. nt gateley Dec 2011 #1
I always liked Sen. Biden. Didn't always agree with him . . . bigtree Dec 2011 #4
I haven't always agreed with him, either, but I trusted him more than I did any gateley Dec 2011 #19
By the way, I think your OP is OUTSTANDING! gateley Dec 2011 #21
Thanks for your input Frances Dec 2011 #2
anyone who lived through that and fought it (daily) bigtree Dec 2011 #8
Nice post, bigtree. I too supported HRC over BO justiceischeap Dec 2011 #3
I hope the President's recent populism bigtree Dec 2011 #9
strong effort, mr big... blm Dec 2011 #5
always bigtree Dec 2011 #6
I also supported HRC but then went on to support Obama. beyurslf Dec 2011 #7
I too thought HRC would be a stronger president than Obama Frances Dec 2011 #11
Exactly. And any one of the bafoons currently running? beyurslf Dec 2011 #20
He was my third choice, after Kucinich and Edwards. kestrel91316 Dec 2011 #10
All the well traveled and established roads lead to a similar end. It makes no difference TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #12
and the rest is still nothingness. There is no viable coalition outside of the two parties bigtree Dec 2011 #13
well written post. dionysus Dec 2011 #14
I originally trended for Edwards. Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #15
Obama was my second choice, behind HRC. gulliver Dec 2011 #16
I appreciate your post DonCoquixote Dec 2011 #17
Any President would be in the same position. To say otherwise would be fantasy. maximusveritas Dec 2011 #18
President Obama was my first choice spanone Dec 2011 #22
"He's the best and only hope we have..." NYC_SKP Dec 2011 #23
I backed Clinton in her duel with Obama. bluestate10 Dec 2011 #24
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