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In reply to the discussion: Why is there a crusade against Apple products but not foreign cars? [View all]Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)104. Perhaps you didn't notice that the second link was to ABC news.
Oh well, perhaps they don't know as well as the propaganda arm of the big 3 do.
Now you bring racism into it. I have mentioned the other unions that are involved in the trade, and you ignore them. Finally, after how many messages we get to the core of your argument.
It's obvious you're on the side of the Japanese trade predators if you don't want to include itesm such as R&D, subcontractors, white collar workers,, etc. You just want the surrvey tilted toward ths Japanese
I mentioned executives at the plant, and even for your sake stipulated that they may be foreign born. Yet, I pointed out the advantage to the local economies of them living/working there. The example I used was the Kia plant in Georgia, and pointed out that they were not commuting to South Korea every night. You ignored them too.
So we get to your final problem, finally. You don't like that the companies are Japanese because of some sort of Racist meme that I can only guess at.
So again, the points that have gone to me. Quality of the product. Accepted Mainstream Media conclusions via the ABC news website. Affect on many other Unions that you hope to have starving and homeless. Decimation of the "American made" argument regarding several models of American Cars including the Ford Fiesta, Chevrolet Volt, and Chevrolet Cruze.
I could go on, but as I learned when discussing the issue with the White Supremacists who used to be my neighbors. Facts, logic, and truth don't matter to those who's opinions are tainted by racism.
You buy the "American Made" car if you want. I'm going to buy the car that has the best value for my money. Because the Big 3 have to earn my business. If it was even close in comparable quality and longevity, and the price was a little more, I'd think about it. Because while Racism may motivate some, it doesn't matter one damned whit to me. For me, it's a simple question of how long the car will last, and how long I have to pay for it. I've owned "Domestic" cars before. They never last as long as their "Foreign" counterparts. My Father took a big risk buying a Toyota in 1974, and later in 1985 I bought it from him for $600. He bought another Toyota, because during the same eleven year period, we'd gone through two "Domestic" Cars, and were about to get a third for Mom to run the family around in.
But now, I think I have a pretty good idea of why you're not fond of the better product, and it's a real shame to see in the writings of a Democrat in the 21st Century.
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Why is there a crusade against Apple products but not foreign cars? [View all]
coldmountain
Sep 2013
OP
You can buy a UAW car just as easy as a Camry BUT DON"T EVER BITCH ABOUT APPLE
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#11
Most prominent models by American auto companies are based on foreign designs...
Gravitycollapse
Sep 2013
#19
Here's a survey that accounts for that globalization and JapanInc cars still don't do so well
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#54
An American car company would have hired them to build cars if JapanInc wasn't here
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#115
The Fusion is selling so well against the Camry it's coming back to Flat Rock Michigan USA
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#128
Many aren't like all the subcompacts listed above and they cost way more jobs than iPhones
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#6
Honda CR-V, Crosstour, Civic, Odyssey, Pilot, Ridgeline, Accord; Acura RDX, ILX, MDX, TL and NSX...
Gravitycollapse
Sep 2013
#9
Over 30% of foreign cars come from outside North America and they cost a lot more than iPhones
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#13
Let's try to address each issue individually instead of mashing them all together.
Gravitycollapse
Sep 2013
#15
With the effects of globalism, where the company headquarters exist becomes largely irrelevant.
Gravitycollapse
Sep 2013
#10
JUST NOT TRUE! Honda's domestic percentage falls 10%+ when management and design factored in
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#24
It sounds like a poorly managed plant run by racist assholes. Not sure how that condemns Honda...
Gravitycollapse
Sep 2013
#42
American car companies are very diverse! Where's Honda's Welburn, Gilles or women executives?
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#52
So essentially you're saying having one black guy makes a company diverse.
Gravitycollapse
Sep 2013
#55
Detroit's executives are diverse. I just picked out 2 well known African American CEO's
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#59
It's called selection bias. About 1% of all Fortune 500 CEOs are black.
Gravitycollapse
Sep 2013
#60
We weren't discussing Fortune 500 companies, we were discussing domestic automakers.
Romulox
Sep 2013
#73
Many reasons but one is that Apple products tend to be more expensive, out of reach of many.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#4
Like a Lexus, Acura, Mercedes, Infiniti, 4runner etc aren't out of the buget ot most Americans?
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#14
I don't need a luxury car. I do need an iPhone and iPad. I have two disabled family members and both
liberal_at_heart
Sep 2013
#40
I could never figure out my RazR, or girlfriend's Samsung, but iPhone is intuitive.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#44
you haven't seen my husband. He is legally blind and he knows his way around that phone. In fact, he
liberal_at_heart
Sep 2013
#50
Your comment epitomizes the very points that you espouse against non-apple users.
defacto7
Sep 2013
#29
many "foreign owned company" cars are made in the USA , so buying a foreign owned/usa made
JI7
Sep 2013
#5
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE $12 BILLION WORTH OF CARS 100% MADE IN JAPAN AND SOUTH KOREA?
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#8
Japanese won't buy Korean cars but dumbass Americans shoot our economy in the ass with Japanese cars
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#36
Buying a "transplant" car doesn't help workers as much as buying union made American car
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#26
Shhhh....just...just let it go. Not sure that will have any impact here.
Gravitycollapse
Sep 2013
#28
The design for the new Sonic is based on collaboration with Fiat and Opel.
Gravitycollapse
Sep 2013
#34
All these very small cars are designed abroad but Sonic is the only one built in the USA
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#39
READ IT AND WEEP! Honda FiT is only 1% American Even with Korean design-Sonic 75%!
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#49
I'm for as much American content as is reasonably possible, you're apologist for JapanInc globalism
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#61
Chevy Sonic only subcompact built in the USA with 75% US content vs 1% domestic content for Fit
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#116
Partly because Apple acts like a whiny baby when they no longer hold the biggest market share.
cui bono
Sep 2013
#51
I buy used, when I can afford it, my car was manufactured in California at an UAW shop...
Humanist_Activist
Sep 2013
#63
cars.com is a shill for Toyota and Honda. Other surveys show JapanInc doesn't do as well
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#81
AMERICA WAS MUCH BETTER OFF BEFORE WE HAD FOREIGN CARS! How did we survive without Toyota?
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#89
The more accurate survey counting all aspects has the top 26 vehicles made by American makes
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#94
So a group fronted by Chrystler, Ford, and GM say that the Foreign cars built here aren't?
Savannahmann
Sep 2013
#98
What about the Kogod Business school survey that proves what the US carmakers point out?
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#100
Thanks for just saying it! You're a self centered anti-union globalist saying you're a progressive
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#105
LOOK AT YOUR OWN LINK! Ram best fullsize truck!Fusion best hybrid! Chevy&Ford 2nd&3rd best compactsO
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#110
Your link made my point! THERE"S NO REASON BEYOND PREJUDICE TO BUY A JAPANESE CAR ANYMORE!
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#111
A 'crusade' against something because it's foreign is not something good
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2013
#70
People are hypocrites. I once had DU's leading Teachers' Union advocate tell me,
Romulox
Sep 2013
#71
I'm sure I'll never see these DUers lamenting the decline of the middle class.
Barack_America
Sep 2013
#84
First you seem to lump nations into a group 'Asian' as if all Asia is the same. Not keen
Bluenorthwest
Sep 2013
#79
Because M$ has noting to do with it? I have a house full of "PCs" and not one scrap of M$
Egalitarian Thug
Sep 2013
#131
Disgruntled worker drives over people at Mazda plant in Japan, killing 1 and injuring 10 Read more:
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#108
All car dealerships in the USA have American workers even if the car was imported from Mars
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#107
NOW THAT CONSUMER REPORTS SAYS THE 2014 CHEVY IMPALA IS THE BEST SEDAN THEY EVER TESTED
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#118
Foreign workers, in general, are better. That's why outsourcing is so profitable. nt
Romulox
Sep 2013
#126
I don't agree with that. Foreign workers are generally much cheaper, but it is,
Egalitarian Thug
Sep 2013
#127
If they did the same work, that would be a valid point, the truth is however, that they don't.
Egalitarian Thug
Sep 2013
#130
That's not for you to judge. The market has decided, and it wants CHEAPER, not "better".
Romulox
Sep 2013
#133
Some Japanese workers are paid well but contract workers are virtually slaves
coldmountain
Sep 2013
#134