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Showing Original Post only (View all)If You Want To Know Why The TPP Is A Terrible Idea, Look At NAFTA's Chapter 11 Here: [View all]
Bill Moyers Reports: "Trading Democracy."
BILL MOYERS: This is the story of how a trade agreement supported by two Presidents and ratified by the Congress became an end-run around the Constitution. The terms were influenced by Washington lawyers and lobbyists and the companies who employ them. It is now played out in rooms like this.
Chapter 11 is only one provision in the five hundred and fifty-five page North American Free Trade Agreement negotiated to promote business among the US, Canada and Mexico. It was supposedly written to protect investors if foreign governments tried to seize their property.
But corporations have stretched NAFTA's Chapter 11 to undermine environmental decisions the decisions of local communities even the verdict of an American jury. The cases brought so far total almost four billion dollars.
The claims are being decided not in open court, but in what has become a system of private justice, in secret tribunals. That's exactly the way the authors of Chapter 11 designed it.
WILLIAM GREIDER (NATIONAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT, THE NATION): What offends me most is that these lawyers understood that public laws were gonna come under attack in this system, and they just walked right past the question of where's the American public in this?
BILL MOYERS: William Greider has covered economics and politics, both national and global, for 35 years first for The Washington Post and now for The Nation magazine. But even William Greider was taken aback by the broad new powers given foreign corporations under NAFTA's Chapter Eleven.
BILL MOYERS: They now have the right to sue governments?
WILLIAM GREIDER: Right, and sue them directly, without having to get the approval of their own government. And that's one of the features of NAFTA which is distinctively different from all previous trade agreements.
BILL MOYERS: Chapter Eleven gives corporations the right to sue for damages if they believe they have been hurt by the action of a government. The case is treated as if it were a simple trade dispute and argued in this room at the World Bank in Washington or in others in cities like New York and Toronto.
The parties in the case the company and the government it is suing choose a three-man tribunal, drawn mostly from a select pool of experts in international law. Nothing is open to the public.
WILLIAM GREIDER: I think of it actually as kind of an exclusive court for capital. American citizens not admitted, even American legislators not admitted. And if that doesn't up-end democracy, I don't know what does.
BILL MOYERS: This is the story of how a trade agreement supported by two Presidents and ratified by the Congress became an end-run around the Constitution. The terms were influenced by Washington lawyers and lobbyists and the companies who employ them. It is now played out in rooms like this.
Chapter 11 is only one provision in the five hundred and fifty-five page North American Free Trade Agreement negotiated to promote business among the US, Canada and Mexico. It was supposedly written to protect investors if foreign governments tried to seize their property.
But corporations have stretched NAFTA's Chapter 11 to undermine environmental decisions the decisions of local communities even the verdict of an American jury. The cases brought so far total almost four billion dollars.
The claims are being decided not in open court, but in what has become a system of private justice, in secret tribunals. That's exactly the way the authors of Chapter 11 designed it.
WILLIAM GREIDER (NATIONAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT, THE NATION): What offends me most is that these lawyers understood that public laws were gonna come under attack in this system, and they just walked right past the question of where's the American public in this?
BILL MOYERS: William Greider has covered economics and politics, both national and global, for 35 years first for The Washington Post and now for The Nation magazine. But even William Greider was taken aback by the broad new powers given foreign corporations under NAFTA's Chapter Eleven.
BILL MOYERS: They now have the right to sue governments?
WILLIAM GREIDER: Right, and sue them directly, without having to get the approval of their own government. And that's one of the features of NAFTA which is distinctively different from all previous trade agreements.
BILL MOYERS: Chapter Eleven gives corporations the right to sue for damages if they believe they have been hurt by the action of a government. The case is treated as if it were a simple trade dispute and argued in this room at the World Bank in Washington or in others in cities like New York and Toronto.
The parties in the case the company and the government it is suing choose a three-man tribunal, drawn mostly from a select pool of experts in international law. Nothing is open to the public.
WILLIAM GREIDER: I think of it actually as kind of an exclusive court for capital. American citizens not admitted, even American legislators not admitted. And if that doesn't up-end democracy, I don't know what does.
Full Transcript Here: http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_tdfull.html
Video Here: http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/tradingdemocracy.html
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If You Want To Know Why The TPP Is A Terrible Idea, Look At NAFTA's Chapter 11 Here: [View all]
WillyT
Sep 2013
OP
The approach to this is despicable and the TPP is not an idea that any Democratic president
Jefferson23
Sep 2013
#1
I can't support what I do know about it and I am furious about the deliberate lack of transparency.
Jefferson23
Sep 2013
#40
Correct -- Welcome to the End of Representative Democracy & the Beginning of Fascism in America.
whathehell
Sep 2013
#14
Obama, that is the party he signed with. The Demcoratic Party, where about 9 million more people
Jefferson23
Sep 2013
#47
They ARE Bad If They Circumvent A Country's Sovereignty... Or A Country's Constitution...
WillyT
Sep 2013
#10
I agree. What we also need is a way to keep corporations from circumventing the associated laws. n
kelliekat44
Sep 2013
#11
Agreed, but if you imagine the TPP is harmless, or even "good", you have to ask yourself
whathehell
Sep 2013
#15
yes. we live in an age where stuff like this gets leaked, yes it's a fact. sorry, honeypie.
cali
Sep 2013
#32
So let's guess your point! "The TPP and NAFTA have different letters therefore
rhett o rick
Sep 2013
#43
You mean the, "I will support Obama's position on the TPP no matter who gets hurt."
rhett o rick
Sep 2013
#59
Prominent politicians and negotiators in poor countries speak out against TPP
octoberlib
Sep 2013
#19
Now just hold on a minute. Is it being suggested that the strong countries will take advantage of
rhett o rick
Sep 2013
#44
I'm not sure what this means What I think is if you get ripped off by some foreign factory order-
Sunlei
Sep 2013
#23
ok, not understanding. I do want our country to bring in revenue with world trade.
Sunlei
Sep 2013
#25
these trade agreement do nothing to help working people. it's all about looking out for the intrests
KG
Sep 2013
#28
You are entirely correct. It will hurt us all as consumers as it does away with safety regulations
whathehell
Sep 2013
#49
Lori Wallach, Trade Attorney for Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch is on Ed Schultz explaining TPP
whathehell
Sep 2013
#37
Yes, and I just heard Wallach on the radio. She says we need to "spread the word" as the president
whathehell
Sep 2013
#46
Very much so, and it's dangerous even beyond that, as it will, among other things, diminish
whathehell
Sep 2013
#48
Can Congress legally pass a law that strips federal & state courts of their constitution powers?
Faryn Balyncd
Sep 2013
#54
Reading the fine print, looks like NAFTA wasn't about eliminating tariffs, but sabataging democracy.
Faryn Balyncd
Sep 2013
#61