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cali

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29. at what cost?
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 10:48 AM
Sep 2013

The NAFTA investor arbitration system (the same is true for all other U.S. FTAs) allows investors to sue over the laws of nations and municipalities in binding tribunals that heavily favor corporations/investors These include environmental laws, copyright laws, etc. For instance the ongoing Philip Morris NAFTA case against Uruguay.

Philip Morris v. Uruguay: Will investor-State arbitration send restrictions on tobacco marketing up in smoke?

http://www.iisd.org/itn/2011/07/12/philip-morris-v-uruguay-will-investor-state-arbitration-send-restrictions-on-tobacco-marketing-up-in-smoke/

There are many, many more Investor-State cases like this. This isn't even the most outrageous.

Here's another. It's a humdinger. It's pending

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However, as we discussed earlier, the public crossing would create competition for the privately-owned Ambassador Bridge, which also connects Detroit to Windsor and generates an estimated $60 million in annual toll revenues.

Bridge owner Matty Moroun has been pursuing approval for a second span of his own, but as Granholm said this morning, "Canada only supports the Detroit River International Crossing" and believes the proposed location of the second Ambassador span would be "too disruptive in Windsor."

In a statement released earlier today, Detroit International Bridge Co. attorney Patrick Moran explained the company will file a NAFTA claim against the Canadian government, suggesting the publicly-backed bridge would unfairly punish the private company.

“The Canadian government is using its power inappropriately to coerce the Michigan Legislature into adopting legislation necessary to ensure the implementation of the DRIC project to the detriment of necessary infrastructure projects in Canada and the U.S. ,” Moran said. “Not only is it clear that the DRIC project is not needed at this time, the Canadian government is trying to use its authority to steal a viable for-profit business from an American businessman.”

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http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2010/04/ambassador_bridge_company_file.html

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The approach to this is despicable and the TPP is not an idea that any Democratic president Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #1
+1 Scuba Sep 2013 #3
Didn't you hear? Either Democrat doesn't mean what it used to mean, djean111 Sep 2013 #4
I can't support what I do know about it and I am furious about the deliberate lack of transparency. Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #40
Correct -- Welcome to the End of Representative Democracy & the Beginning of Fascism in America. whathehell Sep 2013 #14
What Democratic president? jsr Sep 2013 #45
Obama, that is the party he signed with. The Demcoratic Party, where about 9 million more people Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #47
excellent. thanks for posting! k&r cali Sep 2013 #2
Anytime... WillyT Sep 2013 #50
K&R! It's like a "Star Chamber"! Dustlawyer Sep 2013 #5
Thank you, WillyT nenagh Sep 2013 #6
You Are Quite Welcome !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #53
Thank You Bill Clinton, for signing that into law. nt Snotcicles Sep 2013 #7
A sad thing is that aired in 2002. nt Snotcicles Sep 2013 #9
he did not just sign it into law hfojvt Sep 2013 #16
NAFTA: Ross Perot and Al Gore Debate 1993, Part 4 of 8 solarhydrocan Sep 2013 #26
I wasn't blaming Democrats. I remember mine and many Snotcicles Sep 2013 #27
I think most of us need a real tutorial on trade treestar Sep 2013 #8
They ARE Bad If They Circumvent A Country's Sovereignty... Or A Country's Constitution... WillyT Sep 2013 #10
I agree. What we also need is a way to keep corporations from circumventing the associated laws. n kelliekat44 Sep 2013 #11
I think too many people confuse needless complexity with necessity. Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #13
Agreed, but if you imagine the TPP is harmless, or even "good", you have to ask yourself whathehell Sep 2013 #15
TTP = NAFTA????????? Cryptoad Sep 2013 #12
More like NAFTA on steroids. thanks for confirming that you know jackshit, honey. cali Sep 2013 #17
Right? truebrit71 Sep 2013 #18
Funny TPP does not even exist yet you know what it is,,,,,,,nt Cryptoad Sep 2013 #20
Sorry, charlie, but the investment arbitration piece has been leaked and cali Sep 2013 #22
leaked?????????: Cryptoad Sep 2013 #31
yes. we live in an age where stuff like this gets leaked, yes it's a fact. sorry, honeypie. cali Sep 2013 #32
We live in world where links are planned for Cryptoad Sep 2013 #36
Well many of these TPP trade agreement deals are already in WTO agreements. fasttense Sep 2013 #33
I am not objecting toanyone opposing the TTP Cryptoad Sep 2013 #35
And I object to dumbassery, anti-intellectulalism, childish taunts, bvar22 Sep 2013 #41
And the price of tea in China is What? Cryptoad Sep 2013 #56
Hey... At Least he Keeps Kicking My Thread... And It's Much Appreciated... WillyT Sep 2013 #57
Hey... At Least He Keeps Kicking My Thread... And It's Much Appreciated... WillyT Sep 2013 #58
So let's guess your point! "The TPP and NAFTA have different letters therefore rhett o rick Sep 2013 #43
I have voiced my point but you were not listening..... Cryptoad Sep 2013 #55
You mean the, "I will support Obama's position on the TPP no matter who gets hurt." rhett o rick Sep 2013 #59
There you go again making up stuff Cryptoad Sep 2013 #60
Prominent politicians and negotiators in poor countries speak out against TPP octoberlib Sep 2013 #19
Thank You For That !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #21
Thanks for your post , WillyT! NT octoberlib Sep 2013 #30
This is OP-worthy woo me with science Sep 2013 #38
Now just hold on a minute. Is it being suggested that the strong countries will take advantage of rhett o rick Sep 2013 #44
I'm not sure what this means What I think is if you get ripped off by some foreign factory order- Sunlei Sep 2013 #23
no, that has zip to do with it. Not even close. cali Sep 2013 #24
ok, not understanding. I do want our country to bring in revenue with world trade. Sunlei Sep 2013 #25
these trade agreement do nothing to help working people. it's all about looking out for the intrests KG Sep 2013 #28
You are entirely correct. It will hurt us all as consumers as it does away with safety regulations whathehell Sep 2013 #49
at what cost? cali Sep 2013 #29
This is about giving corporations dominion over a nation's laws.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #34
Lori Wallach, Trade Attorney for Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch is on Ed Schultz explaining TPP whathehell Sep 2013 #37
+1 It's predatory, plain and simple, woo me with science Sep 2013 #39
Yes, and I just heard Wallach on the radio. She says we need to "spread the word" as the president whathehell Sep 2013 #46
This undermines our democracy. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #42
Very much so, and it's dangerous even beyond that, as it will, among other things, diminish whathehell Sep 2013 #48
Under NAFTA provisions, in the 1990's, the state of Calif was forced to pay truedelphi Sep 2013 #51
Yep... I Remember That... WillyT Sep 2013 #52
Can Congress legally pass a law that strips federal & state courts of their constitution powers? Faryn Balyncd Sep 2013 #54
Reading the fine print, looks like NAFTA wasn't about eliminating tariffs, but sabataging democracy. Faryn Balyncd Sep 2013 #61
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