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JustAnotherGen

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118. Try this on for size

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 05:41 PM

Sep 2013

What if you are wrong? What if we have been observing the process? What if we are no longer enchanted - and what if the key component of the VRA has been declared unconstitutional and maybe . . . Just maybe that was by design?

I predict - based upon my actual activism (as it threatens me directly) that we have a very long and hard row to hoe. And we may very well WANT to vote - but we may not be able to.

Hope resides in the dominant culture. We've taken a few sucker punches this year in America - and there are any more to come. So we might be a little less hopeful.

I'm not writing this to ake you cringe - I'm giving you the thoughts of a highly aware black female voter - Who is fired up about this. And they were so damn sneaky about this push for disenfranchisement. What else have they got?

And I don't think I'm alone in this. Come canvass with me for Bouno in the Oranges this Saturday and you will hear it for yourself. This past Sunday was Newark.

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The only reason Hillary lost in 2008 was Obama took away the Clinton's African American base [View all] coldmountain Sep 2013 OP

That played a role in it, for sure, but MineralMan Sep 2013 #1

The only reason that she'll lose in 2016 MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #2

The Clintons aren't stupid, they learn and they won't make the same mistakes they did in 2008 coldmountain Sep 2013 #69

Hillary is not a progressive. Support her if she's your cup of tea, but don't kid winter is coming Sep 2013 #130

Obama defeated Clinton because he got more votes than her. Whether another candidate can also PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #3

He got 124 more pledged delegate votes. Beacool Sep 2013 #77

The super delegates need to go away. dawg Sep 2013 #89

Super delegates and caucuses need to go away. Beacool Sep 2013 #150

Too bad the Clintons ignored the caucuses... Whisp Sep 2013 #178

Inane BS, as usual. Beacool Sep 2013 #207

don't worry Bea, she'll most likely win if she runs. here, i got something for ya! dionysus Sep 2013 #219

A bankie for me!!!! Beacool Sep 2013 #231

Interesting theory. One that has merit IMO. PearliePoo2 Sep 2013 #4

good question JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #6

no. any discussion of voter blocs and how they might vote in elections Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #48

Why? We can speak for ourselves, too. I think we're tired of people speaking for us. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #78

Thanks LS JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #104

Yes, I know it's not intentional at all, but we must speak up. It's simply not Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #108

I tried to explain a bit more on this sub thread JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #120

It seems that there is some discord between blacks and Hispanics and the Rethugs Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #129

Bang on! JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #136

Excellent. agreed on all points. freshwest Sep 2013 #237

May I say something here? freshwest Sep 2013 #236

Thank you Freshwest for your insight JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #238

PERFECTLY said, JAG. And as usual, I completely agree Number23 Sep 2013 #143

I wish we all that quote in mind when we discussed every demographic. ZombieHorde Sep 2013 #179

Mahalo Gen~ nm Cha Sep 2013 #157

But how do non blacks JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #103

well, the only difficulty I have with that is it has been clear that DU Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #111

Try this on for size JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #118

I'm willing to bet that there are no blacks in Jersey supporting Christie. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #135

Not a one JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #139

You make good points here, especially about the power of us showing up to vote. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #134

We use astrology. ZombieHorde Sep 2013 #180

How about we try for an actual progressive rather than assume Hillary's inevitable? NuclearDem Sep 2013 #5

Bullshit. Wait Wut Sep 2013 #7

Same here! n/t woodsprite Sep 2013 #12

+1 davidpdx Sep 2013 #158

Oh, she was elected? HappyMe Sep 2013 #8

The establishment/insurgency dynamic BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #9

this is only anecdotal of course but Egnever Sep 2013 #26

It took all of 2007 plus Iowa BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #45

I think you're right. As I said, most blacks including myself were squarely in the Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #72

Re the Dog Whistles JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #147

I just started following politics Jamaal510 Sep 2013 #154

that was really stupid for the Clintons to try and divide by Cha Sep 2013 #159

If anyone asks later, you're a sniper: Whisp Sep 2013 #189

Jesus Christ. Are we doing this now? NightWatcher Sep 2013 #10

Obama had a better message and a better campaign Whisp Sep 2013 #11

369 posts and offering up Le Taz Hot Sep 2013 #13

I wish we had 100 good Ds claiming they 'may' run. The USA can use the R money to boost the economy Sunlei Sep 2013 #19

Who is they? coldmountain Sep 2013 #28

I hoped that you would tell us yourself. nt Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #43

Whichever political machine spun you up bobduca Sep 2013 #211

Yep, remember 2007? Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #42

Leading up to 2004, Lieberman was the inevitable candidate. Vanje Sep 2013 #56

I can't tell if this is satire or not. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2013 #181

is the Rs we have to thank for Obama. They attacked Mrs. Clinton so much & imho, Sunlei Sep 2013 #14

Bullshit! That was NOT their plan. Their plan was to vote FOR Hillary Clinton! Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #65

Then why did Rs even attack Mrs Clinton at all before the primary? Sunlei Sep 2013 #73

This is very easy. They only *pretended* to like Hillary Clinton. They don't like her. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #75

President Obama is not unpopular with me but I know what you mean about the R propaganda machine. Sunlei Sep 2013 #95

the first black president did not *take* Hillary's voters CreekDog Sep 2013 #15

See if Warren can win blue collar voters off the Clintons especially outside New England coldmountain Sep 2013 #27

your OP is nonsense and racially insensitive nonsense at that CreekDog Sep 2013 #29

A rare moment. Wait Wut Sep 2013 #101

Thank you JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #124

Elizabeth Warren has far more appeal to blue collar HappyMe Sep 2013 #50

No Warren doesn't. People remember the good times under Bill Clinton coldmountain Sep 2013 #57

Bill does not equal Hillary. HappyMe Sep 2013 #60

yah, For A Good Time, Call Bill... Whisp Sep 2013 #127

You kind of make my point, no white candidate could have beat Hillary coldmountain Sep 2013 #30

No, I don't make racist points for you CreekDog Sep 2013 #33

African Americans are going to pick the candidate and it won't be Warren coldmountain Sep 2013 #36

African Americans are all going to do one thing and you are privy to it are you? CreekDog Sep 2013 #41

"Heard it through the grapevine", I suppose. Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #51

LOL!!! Wait Wut Sep 2013 #109

+1 davidpdx Sep 2013 #160

WTF! HappyMe Sep 2013 #39

CreekDog - you know you are on to something when You and I BOTH AGREE!! Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #97

No kidding! Wait Wut Sep 2013 #110

you smell it, too- eh? Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #112

I almost wanna thank the OP. Wait Wut Sep 2013 #115

it's like the 100th monkey effect CreekDog Sep 2013 #126

OFFS Marrah_G Sep 2013 #16

How do you explain Iowa? DefenseLawyer Sep 2013 #17

Cory Booker it is then Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #18

let me make some sort of addendum hfojvt Sep 2013 #24

+10000 JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #31

Shit, I hope not. sagat Sep 2013 #20

assimilate hfojvt Sep 2013 #21

Hillary lost my vote because of her vote for the Iraq War. PADemD Sep 2013 #22

No, it's not the "only reason". GoCubsGo Sep 2013 #23

I think that was part of it... cynatnite Sep 2013 #25

There were many reasons why Hillary Clinton lost. She HAD African Americans Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #32

Great posts! And may I add, did the OP pay ANY attention to the primary results last election? ieoeja Sep 2013 #93

Throw the mic! JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #142

Thanks for posting this hollowdweller Sep 2013 #163

There are so many other examples where that came from. So many examples. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #167

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2013 #166

To be fair. NCTraveler Sep 2013 #34

Have to disagree, big time. Whisp Sep 2013 #131

That is truly a great reply. NCTraveler Sep 2013 #200

Thank you for your "insight". Enjoy your stay. kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #35

Edwards was also a unique candidate and we won't see an equivalent to him in 2016 coldmountain Sep 2013 #52

Being white and southern isn't what made Edwards stand out in '08. winter is coming Sep 2013 #133

I'm a black woman JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #144

I love how so many people like to speak for us knee-grows. They know so much Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #37

Hillary has an African American base? NoOneMan Sep 2013 #38

Well, as the learned Romans used to say, "post hoc ergo prompter hoc." LanternWaste Sep 2013 #40

The Only reason ... GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #44

I'm white and I voted for Barack Obama over Hillary Clinton. Explain that. phleshdef Sep 2013 #46

I am also white Gothmog Sep 2013 #90

"The only reason Hillary lost in 2008 was Obama .......... Vanje Sep 2013 #47

Obama got 100% of the white female vote..... Vanje Sep 2013 #49

Will Barack Obama support Hillary or an insurgent? coldmountain Sep 2013 #54

Sitting presidents don't publicly endorse primary candidates. Vanje Sep 2013 #58

Just goes in TV with Bill to explain their signature legistlation after being introduced by Hillary coldmountain Sep 2013 #107

Nope. He took away the anti-war base. dkf Sep 2013 #53

Where am I? WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #55

Who the fuck are YOU to demand that I or anyone else support YOUR fucking choice? cali Sep 2013 #59

It was similar arrogance to OP from Clinton supporters... HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #62

She lost because she ran a lousy campaign. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #61

That is a very good point that many forget and is lost in the revisionist history davidpdx Sep 2013 #164

No. Obama had enough delegates after Super Tuesday. Hillary was done. She decided to keep going... Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #171

I actually supported Obama and that isn't true, I don't accept revisionist history on either side davidpdx Sep 2013 #174

Not revisionist history. Obama was far ahead in delegates and super delegates Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #222

I think we are saying the same thing, but in different ways davidpdx Sep 2013 #233

Look, it's a moot point. The bottom line is that the thread is flamebait, attempting to divide Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #234

Uh, no. n/t tammywammy Sep 2013 #63

keep telling yourself that... nebenaube Sep 2013 #64

If Cory Booker runs against Hillary, he will defeat her Prometheus Perez Sep 2013 #66

Bill Clinton made some unflattering remarks that didn't sit well with black people. swayne Sep 2013 #67

That quote is just hearsay, as the two people who would know whether it was true Beacool Sep 2013 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author BKH70041 Sep 2013 #68

yeah, all those Black Voters in Iowa JI7 Sep 2013 #70

Sho' ya right! LOL!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #145

In other words: Nevernose Sep 2013 #71

Actually Hillary lost because Obama was the better candidate...still is bowens43 Sep 2013 #76

That is strictly a matter of opinion. Beacool Sep 2013 #82

I think so too. HappyMe Sep 2013 #85

In any tight race - primary or general - there are likely hundreds of karynnj Sep 2013 #79

LOL Hillary lost because she wasn't prepared to fight leftstreet Sep 2013 #80

Exactly DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #228

You really like to live dangerously, don't you? Beacool Sep 2013 #81

That must be why Allen West and Herman Cain are so popular. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #83

+1 JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #123

she didn't focus on caucuses joshcryer Sep 2013 #84

HILLARY WOULD EASILY BEAT WARREN IN MASSACHUSETTS or BOOKER IN NEW JERSEY! coldmountain Sep 2013 #87

I DON'T THINK SO! HappyMe Sep 2013 #88

-More than 50% of Democrats in Massachusetts want Hillary Clinton to be their candidate coldmountain Sep 2013 #94

Its kind of silly to count votes before any candidates have declared. Vanje Sep 2013 #121

Mark Penn had a great deal to do with why Hillary Clinton did not win Gothmog Sep 2013 #86

Hillary will have new infrastructure this time with many from the Obama campaign coldmountain Sep 2013 #91

Oh, here we go. Arkana Sep 2013 #92

am I the only one to find this thread not only racist but, sexist to boot? what about Warren? Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #96

Nope. Funny thing is, the OP is quoting the Rightist meme that people only voted for Obama ... ieoeja Sep 2013 #100

What about all the rightist memes against Hillary on this website? coldmountain Sep 2013 #117

Like the OP impling that people will vote for Hillary just because she is female? ieoeja Sep 2013 #218

hill-arious. KG Sep 2013 #98

I won't return insult for insult, LiberalAndProud Sep 2013 #99

The more "invitations" I get like this one... Iggo Sep 2013 #149

This may come as a surprise to you, but when I look at a candidate, I don't think winter is coming Sep 2013 #102

You might not but the vast majority of people do take race and sex into account coldmountain Sep 2013 #105

Nope. This isn't a deli counter where Hillary took a number eight years ago winter is coming Sep 2013 #114

I am a woman and I am black and Hillary Rodham Clinton will have to EARN my vote! Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #140

I didn't back Hillary because she's too conservative. Vashta Nerada Sep 2013 #106

Yeah and you ended up with the male version of what you didn't want. Beacool Sep 2013 #152

white, upper income, woman, i voted obama. i thought obama might not be as beholden to corporations seabeyond Sep 2013 #113

No electable candidate will go after Wall Street coldmountain Sep 2013 #116

i will vote whatever democrat and i would like to see a woman take the spot. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #119

Try out saying this: Whisp Sep 2013 #184

It must be really cold on that mountain snooper2 Sep 2013 #122

HUH? CANDO Sep 2013 #125

Hillary lost because she had a credible opponent. TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #128

This is an obvious attempt to flame-bait using race as the leverage DFab420 Sep 2013 #132

Anti-Clinton, Anti-Obama bullshit. LuvLoogie Sep 2013 #137

So this feels a bit racist. No? Agschmid Sep 2013 #138

If she's the Dem candidate... 99Forever Sep 2013 #141

The only reason I considered Obama was that he (at least) wasn't a Clinton. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2013 #146

Hillary won NH because she cried the day before the vote. bunnies Sep 2013 #148

What kind of sexist comment is that? Beacool Sep 2013 #151

Well actually she did cry, but I think the above poster was pointing out the racism in the OP DFab420 Sep 2013 #161

No, she didn't. Beacool Sep 2013 #165

she got bad acting lessons from hubby: Whisp Sep 2013 #182

Typical that you would post RW crap. Beacool Sep 2013 #208

you miss the point(s), of course. Whisp Sep 2013 #210

You misinterpreted the clip, of course. Beacool Sep 2013 #230

right Whisp Sep 2013 #232

Thank you. bunnies Sep 2013 #213

The kind that mocks the racist comment made by the OP. bunnies Sep 2013 #212

That clearly explains why Obama won Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska hughee99 Sep 2013 #153

Hillary won most of the large state primaries. Beacool Sep 2013 #155

In many states with larger African American populations, hughee99 Sep 2013 #168

Oh, I don't disagree with you on that point. Beacool Sep 2013 #206

I will NOT be voting for Hillary Clinton, bigwillq Sep 2013 #156

That's simplistic at best, racist at worst. Barack Obama was a fucking great candidate and Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #162

very nicely said AtomicKitten Sep 2013 #235

Hillary's support of the petition to allow Bush* to war a pre-emptive attack on Iraq Samantha Sep 2013 #169

Teddy Kennedy endorsed Barack Obama Jan 28th. 8 days later Obama won Super Tuesday. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2013 #170

I think that endorsement by the Kennedys hurt the Clintons the most. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #172

I think it pretty much sealed the deal. n/t cherokeeprogressive Sep 2013 #173

that was some of it but the country at that time was tired of 28 years of Clinton/Bush gopiscrap Sep 2013 #175

The Clinton era was the golden age of most baby boomers coldmountain Sep 2013 #191

Racist post. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2013 #176

I knew from his presentation at Dem convention. Anyone else??? elleng Sep 2013 #177

I didn't know him then. Whisp Sep 2013 #193

Few of us knew him then, Whisp. elleng Sep 2013 #220

I don't know anything about that, ZombieHorde Sep 2013 #183

Few will be expecting a pony this time. It will be a reality based campaign coldmountain Sep 2013 #185

What were the ponies expected last time? nt ZombieHorde Sep 2013 #192

The end of war, the end of racism, single payer healthcare, less confrontational tone in DC coldmountain Sep 2013 #194

really? obama took away hillary`s african america base? madrchsod Sep 2013 #186

Now she gets Obama's team coldmountain Sep 2013 #187

I don't think that is going to work. Whisp Sep 2013 #188

It's not going to be the same for anybody, the pony has ran out of the barn and won't return coldmountain Sep 2013 #190

For all the acrimony from 2008, the Obama administration has been another Clinton administration coldmountain Sep 2013 #195

Well JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #196

first woman president DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #197

Bless your heart. blogslut Sep 2013 #198

Um..Obama had a coalition of African Americans, white liberals, young people, well-educated types... YoungDemCA Sep 2013 #199

What a silly, ignorant argument. longship Sep 2013 #201

That is a mindblowing statement malaise Sep 2013 #202

Get an African American or Latino veep and she probably walks into the white house wyldwolf Sep 2013 #203

Hells yeah, Time for Hil to go shopping for an ethnic running mate! bobduca Sep 2013 #214

Republicans and Teabaagers have nightmares about that scenario coldmountain Sep 2013 #229

We do not like the Hill and Bill. We do not like them, coldmountain-ill. randome Sep 2013 #204

...is a shit statement scheming daemons Sep 2013 #205

As a Hillary supporter, I think this is some of the worst advocacy for her imaginable. stevenleser Sep 2013 #209

While I voted for President Obama, I intend to support Clinton and I agree with your analysis Gothmog Sep 2013 #226

What I should have said was that Obama was a transformational figure that the 2016 race won't have coldmountain Sep 2013 #227

Plenty of racist whites voted for Clinton over Obama. David__77 Sep 2013 #215

Barack Obama also was charismatic and had a great life story. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2013 #216

Of course there were blacks who voted for BO tavernier Sep 2013 #217

What? Grateful for Hope Sep 2013 #221

You mean more people supported Obama? Orsino Sep 2013 #223

Geez, a little early to be fighting over 2016. Rex Sep 2013 #224

Really? SMH Mr Dixon Sep 2013 #225