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Eleanors38

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92. I appreciate your reasonable post. I have posted on labor

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 10:33 PM

Sep 2013

issues and different approaches to poverty's cinsequences, esp. crime. Part if the problem is few folks discuss this, favoring some hate fest (at pro-2A folks' expense) because some kid got shot while playing with hus Dad's pistol. The same also applied.to other issues as well, but the legitimized hatred exhibited -- without constraint -- toward 2A defenders is constant and, I'm afraid, is policy and strategy.

Of course, the response to this is double down.

One of my main purposes for emphasizing 2A on DU is to disabuse liberals of the notion that they must mumble chants to the God of Bans in order to be a real liberal, and I think "we" in the Gungeon have succeeded in large measure if for no other reason than those viewing the gun "debates" can contrast the vitriolic attacks with respectful argument. And believe, the dichotemy is great

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All the gungeoneers. HERVEPA Sep 2013 #1

Big mistake opening GD to gun threads hack89 Sep 2013 #3

Exactly. HERVEPA Sep 2013 #8

Gun violence is such a pervasive element in today's society Crunchy Frog Sep 2013 #36

Gun discusions on DU are not calm, rational discusions that actually change peoples minds hack89 Sep 2013 #43

Nevertheless Crunchy Frog Sep 2013 #95

Complained about that many times. Finally ...trash word helped a lot. L0oniX Sep 2013 #52

BANG! That's the big evil here. nt valerief Sep 2013 #31

Broad brush. Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #32

Fortunately the mod's have clamped down on DU'ers using NRA talking points. madinmaryland Sep 2013 #57

I heartily agree etherealtruth Sep 2013 #74

I think the gun controllers/banners have increased the corrosive effect on DU... Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #78

I agree that civility and discussion have been degraded by the 'gun" issue in GD etherealtruth Sep 2013 #88

I appreciate your reasonable post. I have posted on labor Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #92

I appreciate your reasonable post. I have posted on labor Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #99

It has changed but... liberal N proud Sep 2013 #2

Factitude is not always easy to discern. Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #20

I remember some of our biggest disagreements were over Bill Clinton's "achievements"... kentuck Sep 2013 #21

Nader brought out the crazy, though 1000words Sep 2013 #22

I think that level of discourse still goes on here. Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #23

Level of discourse improved greatly when I put 25 of the worst snarksters on ignore. Divernan Sep 2013 #44

I'm honored to have apparently avoided your list. Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #63

Nobody who supports Warren would be on my ignore list! Divernan Sep 2013 #80

I keep a couple of the nitwits off Ignore for sheer entertainment purposes Skittles Sep 2013 #101

Thank you. TexasTowelie Sep 2013 #110

whassup TexasTowlie? Skittles Sep 2013 #111

I'm still waiting to hear the closing date on the property in Brenham. TexasTowelie Sep 2013 #115

wishing you good luck Skittles Sep 2013 #116

Was President Clinton villified in the same way as President Obama is here? DCBob Sep 2013 #28

"Vilified"? kentuck Sep 2013 #30

Clinton was effectively out of office when this place was founded. nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #40

Exactly liberal N proud Sep 2013 #64

He might have been if we had the kind of information flow we do here now Hydra Sep 2013 #123

This is true. murielm99 Sep 2013 #25

It seems to me that.... sgtbenobo Sep 2013 #4

joined in 2001 also DrDan Sep 2013 #5

2004 was no picnic either justabob Sep 2013 #11

Funny, the biggest change I see is lack of Moderators. KittyWampus Sep 2013 #6

We have juries now Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #10

Or immoderate ourselves often enough. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2013 #14

Yea ...that system is a bad joke. L0oniX Sep 2013 #53

The mod system was light years better than the clown jury system we have now. L0oniX Sep 2013 #54

I tend in that direction. I suspect the moderator system Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #83

Agree 100% kcr Sep 2013 #139

Same here War Horse Sep 2013 #56

In the early days, there was a clear cause that encouraged unity 1000words Sep 2013 #7

Barack Obama with a D behind his name xiamiam Sep 2013 #9

You've hit the nail on the head! sgtbenobo Sep 2013 #12

Shhhhhhhhh... R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #16

^^this^^ I am appalled at the number of Dems who now think that Pres. Obama can Nay Sep 2013 #19

BINGO! n/t DeSwiss Sep 2013 #26

That, to me, is the true definition of ODS. winter is coming Sep 2013 #27

yup Skittles Sep 2013 #29

^^This^^ nt Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #34

So, its' Obama supporters who ruined DU. nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #37

Come off the stage for just a moment, please. IveWornAHundredPants Sep 2013 #62

Why does it matter? YoungDemCA Sep 2013 #114

Who said everything the President has done was good and admirable? geek tragedy Sep 2013 #121

Yep. Pretty much. n/t Dawgs Sep 2013 #124

Yes, those actual Democrats totally ruined the place! nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #126

I never said they were Democrats. n/t Dawgs Sep 2013 #128

They're Democrats whether you think so or not. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #129

Obama supporters are members of the Democratic party, but they are not Democrats. n/t Dawgs Sep 2013 #130

Ted Cruz would approve of that logic geek tragedy Sep 2013 #132

The vast majority of blacks of Latinos are being ignored by the Democratic leaders. Dawgs Sep 2013 #141

I'm sure they'd love to hear from someone like you geek tragedy Sep 2013 #143

There you go again LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #133

The two groups overlap quite a bit. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #136

As do DLCers and Obama Supporters LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #138

Yes and no. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #140

I refer here not to DLC as an organization, but from the LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #142

what exactly do you mean by the "third way policy perspective?" geek tragedy Sep 2013 #144

That's been my experience as well. WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2013 #41

Indeed LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #135

yep and sadly predictable too azurnoir Sep 2013 #45

Excellent post MissDeeds Sep 2013 #47

Yup Maven Sep 2013 #51

^^^AMEN^^^ L0oniX Sep 2013 #55

Yes, true that. RC Sep 2013 #60

Exactly! Blind allegiance. Arkansas Granny Sep 2013 #66

You've hit the nail on the head. smokey nj Sep 2013 #72

Frustration with President Obama has greatly affected the tenor here. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #84

Exactly right; well said. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #91

+18 Right there. n/t Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #100

Agreed. This. Yes. YoungDemCA Sep 2013 #113

A Hater is gonna Hate... Hobo Sep 2013 #119

Obama = Bush (or anything close) = bullshit uponit7771 Sep 2013 #120

Yes, it's sad. sibelian Sep 2013 #131

Virtually everything runs in cycles, remain tenacious and keep up the good fight, Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #13

+1 on cycles and tenacity. nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #18

Back "in the day" we used to debate to inform, now.. WAY too many alert to kill debate. Mika Sep 2013 #15

DU got message control Hydra Sep 2013 #17

Hey, kentuck, I like this post and agree Aldo Leopold Sep 2013 #24

Back then Democrats weren't selling out seniors and little kids. MichiganVote Sep 2013 #33

And today Democrats aren't selling out seniors and little kids. Quit lying. nt tridim Sep 2013 #85

I'd say that the biggest change is that it has gotten vastly bigger. Crunchy Frog Sep 2013 #35

I came to DU in the euphoria of Kerry's seeming progress over dubya during CTyankee Sep 2013 #38

Democrats started winning elections and having governing authority/responsibility. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #39

And we did make a difference. And hopefully will continue. We seem to do better fighting the enemy jwirr Sep 2013 #42

I wish the following could be up front and center SleeplessinSoCal Sep 2013 #46

I remember those days. Gore1FL Sep 2013 #48

Nice to see you're still here. Boudica the Lyoness Sep 2013 #118

kentuck... I know we've all seen that, but... MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #49

The loss of institutional memory is rather sad... kentuck Sep 2013 #50

I have those days...also... KoKo Sep 2013 #86

I do agree... kentuck Sep 2013 #90

There are still a few of us long timers around that refuse to be intimated into leaving. RC Sep 2013 #106

Yes, it does seem that way... MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #108

For YOU, Kentuck! From Long Times...here.... KoKo Sep 2013 #58

Thanks, KoKo01! kentuck Sep 2013 #59

She does a nice version of this....I think.. KoKo Sep 2013 #94

Oh, Yes! kentuck Sep 2013 #98

no more DUzys. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #61

We are no longer the party of resistance. Rex Sep 2013 #65

Exactly true bhikkhu Sep 2013 #67

But...But...If what you say is true...then WHERE will COME the RESISTANCE? KoKo Sep 2013 #69

I think I've finally discovered where all the irrational hatred for Rex Sep 2013 #71

I think though...that there so much "confusion" out there...it's hard to know KoKo Sep 2013 #76

"He goes down to the bog to warm his feet..." kentuck Sep 2013 #81

That's Quite a Listen...Thanks! KoKo Sep 2013 #87

The Third Way has made way too much advancement into the Dem agenda. Rex Sep 2013 #82

Yes Koko. we will rise from the muck of it but not without sharing the not so pleasant truth xiamiam Sep 2013 #73

I hope we get to that point where we can realize as Dem Party... KoKo Sep 2013 #79

Good post, kentuck. TransitJohn Sep 2013 #68

I remember that day and seeing the Democraticunderground.com banner on CPAN mahina Sep 2013 #70

Maybe.."this place...DU" is in a mess..for a purpose. We can't see it now... KoKo Sep 2013 #75

Lots of newbies, most of whom are great Warpy Sep 2013 #77

The allowing of off color racist statements as "challenging the President" DFab420 Sep 2013 #89

As Bob Dylan Said...so many old years ago: "Only a Pawn in Their Game." KoKo Sep 2013 #93

Can you point to some of those? LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #137

I can't quit you DU.... WCGreen Sep 2013 #96

More meaner, less funnyer. A-Schwarzenegger Sep 2013 #97

There was a lot more original threads penned by some truly intelligent analytical thinkers earlier Samantha Sep 2013 #102

Good Point...it was enlightening...and I, personally learned alot from KoKo Sep 2013 #107

I clicked on this thread to say that DU is the same as it ever was. last1standing Sep 2013 #103

Hello kentuck baby_bear Sep 2013 #104

Hi, sierra_moon. bvar22 Sep 2013 #122

Biggest change: the think tanks and their 'personas' found us, and want to control the framing. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #105

It was inevitable. David__77 Sep 2013 #109

We made a difference when *****Official LIVE blog threads were covering Bush oversight hearings Coyotl Sep 2013 #112

people with total lack of respect for others opinions madrchsod Sep 2013 #117

Looks like we are about to have a huge change and for the better! Rex Sep 2013 #125

Too much introspection about DU and DUers*. CJCRANE Sep 2013 #127

Let me sign up to your last paragraph: DU does not make a major difference. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #134