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cleanhippie

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20. I see no personal attack of the OP.

Thu Sep 26, 2013, 10:33 AM

Sep 2013

Like me, blue sees this new pope as a change in tone only. And like me, feels that those who fawn over this new pope as some kind of breath of fresh air instead of the canned perfume that only hides the odors, as short-sighted.

Yes, this pope is better than previous pipes.
Yes, this pope has said some very progressive things.

Yes, this pope is the head of the most patriarchal, misogynistic institutions the world has ever known, and continues to protect child-rapists.

Will this pope reform the RCC and bring it out of the 17th century into the 18th? I hope so, but so what? The church will still be stuck centuries behind human equality.

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Pope Francis on abortion, gays, and contraception (toon). [View all] Laelth Sep 2013 OP

Kick... Agschmid Sep 2013 #1

Interesting. Thanks. Laelth Sep 2013 #3

In actual fact Francis has called gay people evil, our families 'an attack on God' and adoption Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #2

No, I do not. Laelth Sep 2013 #4

You are promoting an anti gay bigot as if he was for equality and decency. That's not cool. Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #5

Are you okay? Agschmid Sep 2013 #7

Are you? cleanhippie Sep 2013 #14

No I see that. Agschmid Sep 2013 #17

I see no personal attack of the OP. cleanhippie Sep 2013 #20

"You are taking part in an attack on good people who never harmed you in any way. It is disgusting." el_bryanto Sep 2013 #22

Indeed. Perhaps better wording is in order. cleanhippie Sep 2013 #28

I do - but I'm not sure that such rage is productive, particularly as directed against el_bryanto Sep 2013 #29

GD SOP says no threads about religion. We endure an aggressive and constant onslaught of Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #38

I agree that religious threads at GD are problematic el_bryanto Sep 2013 #42

+1 Agschmid Sep 2013 #55

I have read this post several times now, and I concede that I could have done better. Laelth Sep 2013 #58

No, probably not. But it's intellectually more honest. cleanhippie Sep 2013 #39

Do you think that believing Roman Catholics have a place at DU? nt el_bryanto Sep 2013 #40

Huh? When did I say another doesn't belong on DU? cleanhippie Sep 2013 #46

Well it is a clash of values isn't it? el_bryanto Sep 2013 #49

My feelings about the laity are well known. cleanhippie Sep 2013 #68

It is a bit of a dodge to say it's someone else's decision. el_bryanto Sep 2013 #76

A dodge? I explicitly stated "I'm all for an open forum". cleanhippie Sep 2013 #78

I participate there regularly, so perhaps we'll have a chance to discuss it. nt el_bryanto Sep 2013 #81

Sounds good. Until then... cleanhippie Sep 2013 #82

Wouldn't that depend on what they believe? MNBrewer Sep 2013 #71

I know of at least one Catholic on this board who teaches hate to schoolchildren... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #41

I'm not - but then I'm not surprised el_bryanto Sep 2013 #44

I appreciate your skepticism. Honestly. Laelth Sep 2013 #45

better wording? No, Bluenorthwest intentionally attacks DU'ers and gets away with it. KittyWampus Sep 2013 #52

If you say so. I'm not that familiar with their posting habits. cleanhippie Sep 2013 #64

It might be personal in that it references a person, but in what way is an "attack"? MNBrewer Sep 2013 #69

I thought the cartoon was great. Laelth Sep 2013 #9

It's not worth your time with this one. Good cartoon. Agschmid Sep 2013 #11

'This one'? Seriously Senator McCain? Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #18

My comments are not personal... Agschmid Sep 2013 #53

He's an improvement in tone, not in message, that is the issue... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #13

Let me know when the Pope actually SAYS what you claim. Do I agree? Sure but does Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #15

Here's a fact for you. JNelson6563 Sep 2013 #12

How is this pope an improvement? He speaks softly, but is just as hateful... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #21

Ok, really? JNelson6563 Sep 2013 #32

The problem is that, with the Catholic Church, like other religions, much of that... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #35

"Stuff you support" JNelson6563 Sep 2013 #84

This Pope has reaffirmed Church doctrine on sexuality, bashed "gay lobbies"... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #37

I believe Pope Francis will definitely change the Catholic Church. blueamy66 Sep 2013 #16

Seriously. How is this not an improvement? Laelth Sep 2013 #24

Becaue the next day his organization was back on the full tilt attack and Frankie said zip Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #30

Not to mention that his message was essentially to evangalize in a way to make... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #31

So until he does everything up to code and turns around... Decaffeinated Sep 2013 #65

Welcome to DU. Laelth Sep 2013 #73

Chill. Agschmid Sep 2013 #6

What steps? And if people are allowed beliefs why are you telling me to 'chill'? Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #8

Faith mates... Agschmid Sep 2013 #10

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Of course he is. Of course the RCC is an organization premised on hate. yodermon Sep 2013 #34

I'm looking to express my opinion. I don't give a shit how they run the Vatican Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #47

-more personal attacks. Bluenorthwest, yesterday you essentially smeared me as a homophobe KittyWampus Sep 2013 #50

You do realize you are the one who called me faith mates? Agschmid Sep 2013 #56

Good cartoon. Too bad this thread has descended into the usual Popebashingfest. bklyncowgirl Sep 2013 #23

Get back to me when he apologizes for his conduct and treatment of GLBT people in... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #26

Thanks for the post. Laelth Sep 2013 #27

"Jesus was a liberal." Correction, Jesus is a mirror, reflecting the beliefs of believers... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #33

Having read Nietzsche on this subject, I concede that you are right. Laelth Sep 2013 #43

Interesting side note. JFK was the only Catholic elected as president and many thought his beliefs adirondacker Sep 2013 #36

Posts about religion are not supposed to be in GD. There are good reasons for that. Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #25

Who cares what Jesus/ the bible says? It's BECAUSE of religion that this attitude exists at all. cleanhippie Sep 2013 #48

Well, that's the thing. Laelth Sep 2013 #51

The Pope also made a recent comment that blasted abortion. totodeinhere Sep 2013 #54

True. Perhaps I erred in putting the Pope's name in the thread title. Laelth Sep 2013 #57

he's threading a needle here between Catholic doctrine and common sense/real life ZRT2209 Sep 2013 #62

The same way which John the 23rd did. Dawson Leery Sep 2013 #77

cool. great cartoon, thanks. Sheri Sep 2013 #59

My pleasure. n/t Laelth Sep 2013 #79

He cares more about his men than the spice. ZRT2209 Sep 2013 #60

Goddamn, I'm getting bloody SICK of all this slobbering over this pope! Arugula Latte Sep 2013 #61

that's not right. he's got conservative Catholics in an uproar. ZRT2209 Sep 2013 #63

They're in an uproar over windowdressing. Arugula Latte Sep 2013 #66

I take it you didn't like the cartoon. Laelth Sep 2013 #67

You posted this comment: "I like this pope" Arugula Latte Sep 2013 #70

OK. So, you don't want to talk about the cartoon. Fine. Laelth Sep 2013 #72

That's what is getting to me. Otherwise liberal, enlightened people are falling for the PR. Arugula Latte Sep 2013 #74

You may be right. Laelth Sep 2013 #75

It's gonna take a lot of time and love to repair what the church has done to Zorra Sep 2013 #80

+1000 Sissyk Sep 2013 #83