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Chan790

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38. I'm going to take the tactful position and not reject out of hand the notion.
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 02:55 PM
Oct 2013

I've long argued that in any political fight everything has to be on the table for negotiation, in the name of best governance and reasonable politics. What does not have to be reasonable is the respective cost that either side attaches to those chips. So, in that spirit...I won't say ACA delay is non-negotiable; nothing is non-negotiable.

That said...I place a very high value on the ACA and its implementation ASAP. If the GOP wants it delayed a year, I have to think that is in pursuit of a climate better suited to its total repeal and as such, the cost to the GOP would have to be more than one or two sacred cows and a float of several strategic positions. If they want to talk about ACA repeal qua ACA delay then they better be prepared to discuss marginal-rate tax increases, capital-gains reform in pursuit of increased revenues, inclusion of a longer-term debt ceiling increase, gun control, immigration reform and campaign finance. They better be coming to the table with their own healthcare reform proposal and it better be acceptable to the American public.

In short, if they want to talk about repealing healthcare reform now that it is the law of the land, they better be prepared to hand the president a number of unilateral wins across the board substantial enough that there is no way anybody is in the least bit confused over who lost this showdown.

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Even I as a critic of the plan do not think this is a good idea. Safetykitten Oct 2013 #1
Did you have a glitch in your connection and somehow get on the wrong site? shraby Oct 2013 #2
I wouldn't. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #3
No. That is not thinking critically at all. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #4
Let me use my critical thinking skills to answer your question -- Dumb Idea. n/t Avalux Oct 2013 #5
goodness i am seeing so many newer members with a style of name telling us how clever the repugs are seabeyond Oct 2013 #6
Hey! bunnies Oct 2013 #27
In all fairness ... Laelth Oct 2013 #30
lol. seabeyond Oct 2013 #34
See? I knew you could. Laelth Oct 2013 #37
thank you seabeyond Oct 2013 #58
You're right. I'm going to keep that in mind. cui bono Oct 2013 #35
Yeh, dumb idea, but a cool story, bro! Thanks for your concern. Zorra Oct 2013 #7
Absolutely NOT.. no no no Peacetrain Oct 2013 #8
Go away Hutzpa Oct 2013 #9
But you're not. Ellipsis Oct 2013 #10
The individual mandate is the key to the coverage of pre-existing conditions Gothmog Oct 2013 #11
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2013 #12
How about we redirect money from oil subsidies to cover the cost of the mandate for 1 year... phleshdef Oct 2013 #13
Oh boy! That's funny. HappyMe Oct 2013 #14
The ACA is the LAW. Deal with it. tridim Oct 2013 #15
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2013 #16
Hear hear! Raffi Ella Oct 2013 #21
No, not at all Xyzse Oct 2013 #17
Wow. Another one of these dumb "delay" threads Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #18
They lost the election and ObamaCare is law. Raffi Ella Oct 2013 #19
Dumb Dyedinthewoolliberal Oct 2013 #20
ROFL! And this is why you are not President. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #22
Did you even read what I wrote think_critically Oct 2013 #29
Yes, I did. It sounded like something a Republican member of the House thinks is a good idea. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #32
you do know that an up or down vote on immigration reform is what Obama wants right think_critically Oct 2013 #39
What makes you think he can't get that done already? He *already* did health care reform. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #45
it's delaying the mandate not the law think_critically Oct 2013 #49
Dude. Sigh. If this tactic works once, don't you think they'll use it again? IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #54
You are either purposely trying to spread RW memes or you are buying into them. cui bono Oct 2013 #33
Do you like ACA or Obamacare better? cui bono Oct 2013 #23
yea that's my point think_critically Oct 2013 #25
That was not the point I made. I did not agree with your OP in any way, shape or form. cui bono Oct 2013 #31
Really, we know what the calls for "delay" are about... Orsino Oct 2013 #24
Help me see what you see. Laelth Oct 2013 #26
Ha! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! ...No seriously... FourScore Oct 2013 #28
Please find somewhere else to post. sibelian Oct 2013 #36
I'm going to take the tactful position and not reject out of hand the notion. Chan790 Oct 2013 #38
If I were Obama, I'd de-fund the Capitol police. Eddie Haskell Oct 2013 #40
*losing* and how about "no". nt sufrommich Oct 2013 #41
The individual mandate is necessary to make it work. 95 bucks may not seem like a lot but we are lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #42
look at what I'm saying think_critically Oct 2013 #51
The way the calculations go, the younger a person is, the cheaper the premium. In fact, in many of lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #65
So then there's delayed ACA *and* no immigration reform? MNBrewer Oct 2013 #43
And I'm sure most people are really happy that you are not Obama. What an idiotic compromise. Th1onein Oct 2013 #44
for the love of God think_critically Oct 2013 #55
You are ignoring the fact that the mandate is a key part of the ACA Gothmog Oct 2013 #59
Wait a moment - are you being "Evil Genius"? IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #46
Yes think_critically Oct 2013 #53
if i were Obama i would tell them to stick it up their asses. spanone Oct 2013 #47
Would I still get my pony? nt FLyellowdog Oct 2013 #48
If we were going to trade it for anything -- which I don't recommend -- pnwmom Oct 2013 #50
Never trust a republican. Kingofalldems Oct 2013 #52
the penalty on the mandate florida08 Oct 2013 #56
just to add florida08 Oct 2013 #57
Would you really? And do you give a shit about the people who die TBF Oct 2013 #60
Lazy math. GeorgeGist Oct 2013 #61
So much for critical thinking.... nt Earth_First Oct 2013 #62
do you even get it think_critically Oct 2013 #64
Another dingbat for the ignore file durablend Oct 2013 #63
I'm not sure you're living up to your screen name. MineralMan Oct 2013 #66
Not just no, but FUCK NO. HELL NO. NO DAMN WAY NO. NO. NO. NO. cali Oct 2013 #67
do you think i'm suggesting postponing the entire law? think_critically Oct 2013 #69
No. I think you're suggesting crippling it. Fuck that idiocy. cali Oct 2013 #70
not true think_critically Oct 2013 #71
"Loosing," huh? That's a dead giveaway. (nt) Heidi Oct 2013 #68
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