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Xyzse

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25. Well, some have considered the 14th Amendment.

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 05:24 PM

Oct 2013

In regards to that, it would be invoking section 4 which states:

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

So there are ways to go beyond Congress. It isn't used, and I don't feel comfortable about it, but at least there are options.

So, there will always be a Plan B. I don't like the idea of expanding the powers of the Presidency even more but... Republicans are being ridiculous.

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Why should we blink first? That shows weakness. upaloopa Oct 2013 #2

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this will last longer than a week... Javaman Oct 2013 #12

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why do you say that? G_j Oct 2013 #20

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Perhaps federal elections cannot be held if government is shut down. kiranon Oct 2013 #16

Plan B is the abortion pill. Quantess Oct 2013 #22

Your Concern is Noted krawhitham Oct 2013 #23

President Obama will issue an Executive Order, and crush the slimy little weasels' Zorra Oct 2013 #24

Well, some have considered the 14th Amendment. Xyzse Oct 2013 #25

NO COMPROMISE! A clean bill or nothing. Lil Missy Oct 2013 #27

What you people don't understand, is that Cruz, et. al. are religious fanatics egold2604 Oct 2013 #28

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They will give in. Plan B is up to the GOP. DCBob Oct 2013 #30

If they Destroy this country... Let the History Records show... yuiyoshida Oct 2013 #31

We the people might have a say before it goes too far, after all we are the government! B Calm Oct 2013 #33