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Enthusiast

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117. It doesn't matter.

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 08:41 AM

Oct 2013

What he said in the article under discussion is right on the money.

Millions of people now recognize they were hood winked on Iraq. Hey, who would expect the government to lie about weapons of mass destruction? But lie they did. And they should still be in prison, from Codi Rice to Rumsfeld they should be looking out between the bars.

I knew the Bushies were lying. I knew after they stole the election they might do anything. Hell, after Iran-Contra the entire nation should have recognized that no Bush was to be trusted. But in an environment where every word in the media is under close scrutiny and constant manipulation that ain't happening.

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Holy Crap !!! - Andrew Sullivan Is MUST READ Today !!! [View all] WillyT Oct 2013 OP

They overreached, and they need to pull back bloody stumps nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #1

+1 000 000 000 kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #30

They started this under Clinton pscot Oct 2013 #2

^^^This^^^ nt tblue Oct 2013 #128

They want a One Party State Old and In the Way Oct 2013 #130

I think their goal is to provoke a constitutional crisis. roamer65 Oct 2013 #3

I think so, too. factsarenotfair Oct 2013 #5

I agree. They want theocratic fascist rule devoted to an oligarchic corporatocracy mnhtnbb Oct 2013 #15

You've been paying attention.........+1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #32

wow! So true heaven05 Oct 2013 #34

Remarkably similar to Nazi Germany, eh? roamer65 Oct 2013 #49

We're not allowed to use Nazi comparisons, even it they're true. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #100

Exactly. And terribly, terribly chilling. ieoeja Oct 2013 #121

I find it near to impossible 2naSalit Oct 2013 #51

A lot of big words. Maybe that's the problem. Any student of history, though mnhtnbb Oct 2013 #52

Big words..to teabaggers... :>) pangaia Oct 2013 #64

Yup. pangaia Oct 2013 #62

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #70

agree yuiyoshida Oct 2013 #18

Why Rebl Oct 2013 #72

+1,000,000,000,000,000 MANative Oct 2013 #119

Then the South can rise again. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #107

Then the South can rise again. AlbertCat Oct 2013 #120

it must not come up ever again! Tumbulu Oct 2013 #4

The last sentence is most important Dawson Leery Oct 2013 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author cliffordu Oct 2013 #11

k&r thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Oct 2013 #7

You Are Quite Welcome !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #73

The GOP is like a chronic alcoholic. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #8

I recently read a rightwing post thecrow Oct 2013 #9

They left the realm of reality decades ago Hydra Oct 2013 #10

What I find really funny on climate change NewJeffCT Oct 2013 #36

Yes, they do have their own set of facts. Courtesy of the Heritage Foundation, gtar100 Oct 2013 #65

Elephant go down? abelenkpe Oct 2013 #12

Tell it! countmyvote4real Oct 2013 #13

Boy, I sure hope they are so wounded they don't get up ever again. mnhtnbb Oct 2013 #14

I Wish Molly was still around.. would love to hear her take on all this .. we miss you Molly. YOHABLO Oct 2013 #101

Yes. I miss her all the time. Can you imagine how she'd skewer Cruz? mnhtnbb Oct 2013 #103

We sure do miss her. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #108

Well said. k&r polichick Oct 2013 #16

Great Writing by Andrew Sullivan dem in texas Oct 2013 #17

Hammer them up - Burn them down. Blue Idaho Oct 2013 #19

Excellent read gopiscrap Oct 2013 #20

Andrew is so very correct mehrrh Oct 2013 #21

Great read malaise Oct 2013 #22

I wish I could rec this twice Peacetrain Oct 2013 #23

You Are Quite Welcome !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #139

Excellent. Thanks WillyT. Scuba Oct 2013 #24

Anytime... Scuba !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #74

Hot damn! That really IS a wow-ser. K&R closeupready Oct 2013 #25

Phuck Andrew "Matthew Shephard Brought It on Himself" Sullivan... joeybee12 Oct 2013 #26

agree. he certainly was dazzled by shrub. nt UTUSN Oct 2013 #28

All simple minds were...nt joeybee12 Oct 2013 #48

I see we are in aggreement again about ole' ML. Behind the Aegis Oct 2013 #38

Yup, I wish some of these straight people hwer would stop worshipping joeybee12 Oct 2013 #41

He thought the sun rose and set in George W's asshole. QC Oct 2013 #46

He never really apologized...never will, the POS...nt joeybee12 Oct 2013 #47

Ever since his absolutely disgusting Sarah Palin obsession, I ignore his self-serving bullshit. 7962 Oct 2013 #114

Sara Palin obsession? Kingofalldems Oct 2013 #144

Andrew Sullivan: the Stopped-Watch Pundit. MNBrewer Oct 2013 #54

I've never read anything original by him...he really just parrots others... joeybee12 Oct 2013 #56

Well Damn joeybee12... Maybe He's "Evolved"... The Current President Was Lauded For Doing So... WillyT Oct 2013 #76

Well said. Thanks for posting that. n/t cui bono Oct 2013 #27

Why do we always have to be the ones compromising hibbing Oct 2013 #29

thank you for some truth heaven05 Oct 2013 #31

Totally calling it as it is!! Excellent view!! K&R!! hue Oct 2013 #33

Excellent, but please don't forget... JHB Oct 2013 #35

That's Why I Said It Was A MUST READ... "Today"... WillyT Oct 2013 #75

Agree. grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #37

rec, rec, rec...thanks for posting this. russspeakeasy Oct 2013 #39

''The elephant must go down.'' Octafish Oct 2013 #40

No Cheap_Trick Oct 2013 #42

Huge K&R! RiffRandell Oct 2013 #43

You Are Quite Welcome !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #77

The best part is this Hutzpa Oct 2013 #44

Consider who benefits from government dysfunction and paralysis. Maineman Oct 2013 #45

Excellent points. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #109

Welcome onboard! Old and In the Way Oct 2013 #129

If the global economy goes down a lot worse than five years ago... Amonester Oct 2013 #147

the man can write. Always liked his passion florida08 Oct 2013 #50

I would vote for the rhinoceros Mopar151 Oct 2013 #60

And mean and dangerous as hell. nt tblue37 Oct 2013 #136

K & R Iliyah Oct 2013 #53

He killed it!!!! TxDemChem Oct 2013 #55

I love this! These are my thoughts exactly...but eloquently stated. nt SunSeeker Oct 2013 #57

I suspect the Kochs are behind much of this. duffyduff Oct 2013 #58

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #59

Anytime... Uncle Joe, Anytime... WillyT Oct 2013 #79

... Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #83

How will this country survive when the media refuses to do its job? workinclasszero Oct 2013 #61

Agree. When Jon Stewart is yelling at the reporters from mountain grammy Oct 2013 #93

We have ourselves to blame for not winning in 2010 4dsc Oct 2013 #63

2010 the year the West Coast had rocking turnout and elected tons of Democrats Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #115

+1 who says hindsight is 20/20 reddread Oct 2013 #135

"These people are not conservatives. They're vandals."? red dog 1 Oct 2013 #66

+1 LibGranny Oct 2013 #67

K&R...Thanks for posting, WillyT. red dog 1 Oct 2013 #68

Anytime... WillyT Oct 2013 #80

Good words from a self-proclaimed conservative. But will he vote Democratic in 2014. ancianita Oct 2013 #69

Who Knows...He Didn't In 2012 ??? WillyT Oct 2013 #71

If memory serves me. Andrew Sullivan is an Obama supporter. vaberella Oct 2013 #78

Thank You !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #81

he is a "conservative" but left the GOP 10 years ago. Hamlette Oct 2013 #94

Torture should have been the line in the sand for everyone. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #110

Sullivan is today's broken clock. He is a man who heavily promoted GW Bush, Dick Cheney Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #113

It doesn't matter. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #117

no, sullivan was angry that we tortured Hamlette Oct 2013 #123

It might be an age old problem Enthusiast Oct 2013 #124

Sullivan endorsed Kerry in 2004 and Obama in 2008 and 2012. nsd Oct 2013 #91

Fair points. ancianita Oct 2013 #97

Excellent commentary. Raffi Ella Oct 2013 #82

+ 1000 red dog 1 Oct 2013 #138

hell yes, they are! Raffi Ella Oct 2013 #145

Excellent! pacalo Oct 2013 #84

Rare that I agree with Sullivan.. NastyRiffraff Oct 2013 #85

Thanks for posting this, WillyT Iwillnevergiveup Oct 2013 #86

Agreed !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #140

This time, the elephant must go down lunasun Oct 2013 #87

The impeachment of Clinton zentrum Oct 2013 #88

Agree. Hope the DC DEMS do, too ... blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #89

Cut 'em loose Lifelong Protester Oct 2013 #90

The Apocalypse Must be Near! colsohlibgal Oct 2013 #92

This time, the elephant must go down. And if possible, it must be so wounded it does not get up for Phlem Oct 2013 #95

''...we cannot deny that race too is an added factor....'' DeSwiss Oct 2013 #96

+ 1,000,000,000... Excellent Graphic !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #141

This Goes Back A Long Ways DallasNE Oct 2013 #98

Good post. Thanks. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #106

Yes, it's a convergence of Jim Crow and McCarthyism. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #111

Thanks for posting - excellent points. n/t myrna minx Oct 2013 #118

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #142

Brilliant post by Sully. Bette Noir Oct 2013 #99

Wow! I appreciate his honesty avaistheone1 Oct 2013 #102

Thanks, so much for sharing this. Surprised and impressed seeing it. Judi Lynn Oct 2013 #104

Agreed !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #143

k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #105

K n r outsideworld Oct 2013 #112

Excellent (n/t) bread_and_roses Oct 2013 #116

to really end this lunacy americans must realize the tea party is really the talk radio party certainot Oct 2013 #122

Sullivan helped build this monster, back when it was killing people more openly. Orsino Oct 2013 #125

I don't trust any of it nolabels Oct 2013 #126

Not only this - but Dems also won the House in 2012 GeorgiaDemGuy Oct 2013 #127

Kick & Rec. yesphan Oct 2013 #131

Way to be!!!! sagetea Oct 2013 #132

KICKED NT MaeScott Oct 2013 #133

Kick this and put on social media alfredo Oct 2013 #134

I agree Shireling Oct 2013 #137

+1000 blackspade Oct 2013 #146

In what alternate universe area51 Oct 2013 #148