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127. People are complaining about their rates going up, but then we see they're getting

Reply to lostincalifornia (Original post)

Fri Oct 11, 2013, 05:49 PM

Oct 2013

completely different services. So they're comparing a plan that is only helpful if there's a catastrophe to an actual health plan that will cover problems that come up. Or that they're actually pretty wealthy and people don't want to hear someone with $90k complaining about having to pay for health care when there are people who have gone without healthcare for ages and are finally able to get it thanks to the ACA. Or men who have always been undercharged because they're men shocked and surprised that they're having to pay more since men and women are charged the same now. Yes, they're not getting the benefit of paying a smaller amount for health care because they're men, but women have NEVER had that benefit and the women they're complaining to have been paying more for years or decades.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] lostincalifornia Oct 2013 OP

I hate to say this, but Rex Oct 2013 #1

"I hate to say this" is the new equivalent of "honest question". nt CJCRANE Oct 2013 #2

very good point Phentex Oct 2013 #12

Is that like starting with, "I'm not racist, but..." ? n/t Ian David Oct 2013 #65

I think so. Or, "to tell you the truth..." Rex Oct 2013 #67

Can you please point out where, *exactly*, the words "I hate to say this" appear in this title, or Ghost in the Machine Oct 2013 #134

It was in the original thread that started this thread, I know sounds complex. Rex Oct 2013 #137

I see now... thank you, Rex... Ghost in the Machine Oct 2013 #163

Very welcome. I have VA to fall back on, but will be looking into Rex Oct 2013 #173

Youve never seen how threads like this go, huh? bunnies Oct 2013 #3

Right...? Agschmid Oct 2013 #10

Post the information we need to evaluate the claim. You can see that info here... stevenleser Oct 2013 #4

That is kind of creepy, Steve. morningfog Oct 2013 #182

Oh please, spare me the faux drama. Virtually no one uses their real names here. stevenleser Oct 2013 #191

You need a thick skin to post in any online community these days. CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2013 #5

Good advice, CaliforniaPeggy. sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #22

Of course you do....why am I not surprised by that statement? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #85

Do I know you? You just demonstrated the point being made here sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #172

they are not coming asking for help...they come with their hair on fire....demanding we recognize VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #174

Agreed. The way people jump down the throat of others LittleBlue Oct 2013 #143

Its "brought" with an air of superiority...."SEE I told you so..." VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #175

This forum wants proof of claims, mzmolly Oct 2013 #188

Welcome to the new and improved DU. Mika Oct 2013 #6

DU was like this when I joined back in '02. CJCRANE Oct 2013 #14

I agree. Rex Oct 2013 #19

Yep, I've been run off a few times. MoonRiver Oct 2013 #207

+1000 notadmblnd Oct 2013 #56

Could also be because some of us longtimers have seen an awful lot of manipulation by calimary Oct 2013 #92

Yep, seemed like standard DU snark to me. redqueen Oct 2013 #123

I'm still relatively new - mostly read and not post a lot meadowlark5 Oct 2013 #125

Wow, I love that troll smilie. pamela Oct 2013 #186

Not the way I remember it. Skip Intro Oct 2013 #176

That's how I remember it also. Newbies were welcomed and not attacked sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #183

There are 1000s of DUers: some are welcoming, some aloof, some aggressive. CJCRANE Oct 2013 #194

Well said. nt Mojorabbit Oct 2013 #211

You are being disingenuous... I called your friend, not you, a liar. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #7

Things get a little testy around here sometimes Turbineguy Oct 2013 #8

It is a message board. Sometimes hot button topics IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #9

no one is implying you are a liar. just that you left a lot of information out initially Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #11

P.S. what does "lostinCalifornia" username mean? Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #13

You have to have a thick skin to post here if B2G Oct 2013 #15

Two things: One) Overwhelmingly, the ACA is improving the lot of low income people re: coverage Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #16

No one could have predicted that the SCOTUS and Republican states would screw the poor Fumesucker Oct 2013 #25

Absolutely. The red states that are petulantly holding out on medicaid expansion.. it's inexcusable. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #32

I'm a little disappointed in you Fumesucker Oct 2013 #55

Oh, right. Gotcha. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #129

Nope, DU hasn't been a refuge from right wing thought since at least Jan 21, 2009 Fumesucker Oct 2013 #17

but i had just dealt with you telling us we needed to allow repugs a cooling off period cause they seabeyond Oct 2013 #18

Here's the problem... whttevrr Oct 2013 #20

no she said exceeds questionseverything Oct 2013 #177

Have you been here long enough to know what a GBCW post is? lpbk2713 Oct 2013 #21

"I know a dead parrot when I see one…" regnaD kciN Oct 2013 #33

...if you hadn't nailed 'em to 'is perch 'e'd be pushin' up the daisies!" truebluegreen Oct 2013 #90

'E's pinin' for the fjords FloridaJudy Oct 2013 #212

we need information... handmade34 Oct 2013 #23

I hate to say this, but a friend told me geek tragedy Oct 2013 #24

. Rex Oct 2013 #63

... BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #105

LOL Scurrilous Oct 2013 #200

We get a lot of trolls spewing incorrect information here. Lex Oct 2013 #26

You've been here 2 weeks... SidDithers Oct 2013 #27

Consider yourself lucky NoGOPZone Oct 2013 #28

I know, right...? whttevrr Oct 2013 #31

I know I'm being entirely too reasonable when I get no replies. moriah Oct 2013 #130

For all our saying that we are better people... Lancero Oct 2013 #29

Oh, looky. Another one DU Bashing. bunnies Oct 2013 #35

And ANOTHER low-count poster -- what a surprise… regnaD kciN Oct 2013 #38

Thank you... Lancero Oct 2013 #40

Blinded by our love of Obamacare? Rex Oct 2013 #45

I know, dead giveaway eShirl Oct 2013 #52

I guess it is a good thing we have the ACA! Rex Oct 2013 #59

bahaha. I love it when REPUBES are losing. The trolls activate. Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #48

And your definition of troll is? Lancero Oct 2013 #62

Who is this "we" you speak of? eShirl Oct 2013 #49

Mouse in pocket? Rex Oct 2013 #60

The majority of people in this thread. Lancero Oct 2013 #64

What about the... whttevrr Oct 2013 #66

And this justifies... Lancero Oct 2013 #71

What insults? whttevrr Oct 2013 #78

Selective reading skills. Rex Oct 2013 #81

Same to you n/t Lancero Oct 2013 #83

No I actually asked if the OP lived in a red state. Rex Oct 2013 #87

Care to point out Lancero Oct 2013 #93

You came in here swinging at everyone that called out the OP Rex Oct 2013 #97

Still can't point out where, specifically, I insulted a member. Lancero Oct 2013 #101

Like you, I could care less. Rex Oct 2013 #103

Still waiting for you to point out where I insulted a member. Lancero Oct 2013 #109

Sure it does, keep it up. Rex Oct 2013 #110

Care to, finally, point out where I insulted a member? Lancero Oct 2013 #114

As long as you doubt that you did. Rex Oct 2013 #117

Myself? Lancero Oct 2013 #121

Because you should be nice to yourself, did you forget your own premise? Rex Oct 2013 #122

I still don't see where I insulted anyone, or even myself. Lancero Oct 2013 #124

You said I am a bad, evil, care-less person, so no. Rex Oct 2013 #126

Context much? Lancero Oct 2013 #131

you have the math wrong questionseverything Oct 2013 #178

you and other low-post count boy seem to be working well together Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #68

Also what about the facts presented to the OP that debunk their narrative? Rex Oct 2013 #75

Thanks... Lancero Oct 2013 #76

You keep saying that, yet seem to not know what that saying means. Rex Oct 2013 #77

Must I explain? Lancero Oct 2013 #80

Yet you still do not acknowledge that the OP posted bogus information Rex Oct 2013 #84

I'm not taking into account other threads... Lancero Oct 2013 #88

Oh so you don't have any idea what this is all about. Rex Oct 2013 #91

Does a person need a reason... Lancero Oct 2013 #96

Well if you want to be like the GOP and be clueless what is going Rex Oct 2013 #100

I know enough. Lancero Oct 2013 #104

You seem totally clueless and now you don't care at all. Rex Oct 2013 #106

See above. Lancero Oct 2013 #112

If you say so, I personally doubt it. Rex Oct 2013 #113

Pot, meet kettle. nt FLyellowdog Oct 2013 #135

Already went through this with Rex... Lancero Oct 2013 #136

Two children, arguing for the sake of arguing. FLyellowdog Oct 2013 #139

If someone says I did something... Lancero Oct 2013 #140

If you can answer #73, then I will tell you. Rex Oct 2013 #142

... Lancero Oct 2013 #145

So that is a no. Rex Oct 2013 #148

I say again... Lancero Oct 2013 #150

Of course you do, you have nothing left in the tank. Rex Oct 2013 #151

I've plenty left in the tank. Lancero Oct 2013 #153

Nothing left eh? You are running on fumes. Rex Oct 2013 #154

What narriative? Lancero Oct 2013 #158

And all I am asking is that you answer #73. Rex Oct 2013 #161

So you thought a third child was needed in this fight? Rex Oct 2013 #159

Why would you ignore post after post asking why said OP Rex Oct 2013 #73

Straw man alert---- so leave DU if it bothers u so much TeamPooka Oct 2013 #181

We're simply able to do the math. A young man making more than $150,000 can pay DevonRex Oct 2013 #53

Btw, that's "toe" the party line... truebluegreen Oct 2013 #94

Who's we? Do you have a squirrel in your pocket? MADem Oct 2013 #118

. Squinch Oct 2013 #120

funny how you just joined and keep talking about "we" noiretextatique Oct 2013 #169

see lost... this would be the newbie post everyone jumps on, just like this. dont feel bad, lost. seabeyond Oct 2013 #206

I have not read your ACA threads Southside Oct 2013 #30

Welcome to DU. bunnies Oct 2013 #42

I second that Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #51

Thank you for welcoming me. Southside Oct 2013 #70

that was a bizarre example Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #82

It's more about the host controlling content Southside Oct 2013 #128

Does seem like a strange ad for them to run. bunnies Oct 2013 #99

Oh there is an alert button. Southside Oct 2013 #133

There is also a very useful button called "trash thread" dixiegrrrrl Oct 2013 #146

Alert, trash thread, ignore Southside Oct 2013 #155

This is excellent advice. bunnies Oct 2013 #164

Your response was fine by me. bunnies Oct 2013 #162

Will do Southside Oct 2013 #179

Probably because MSNBC is not Fox News of the left, truebluegreen Oct 2013 #102

Nothing wrong with including the last 4 numbers Trekologer Oct 2013 #187

Haha...ok astroturfer , thanks Southside Oct 2013 #189

I hate to say this but someone making 90k+ a year Whisp Oct 2013 #34

90k is the cut off for subsidy whttevrr Oct 2013 #41

hey, good abacus you have there! Whisp Oct 2013 #44

OK, whew... whttevrr Oct 2013 #89

This an internet chat room. Don't take it this seriously. leeroysphitz Oct 2013 #36

There's never a good excuse for meanness, lack of compassion. Voice for Peace Oct 2013 #37

There is a faction here that hates the left, and will swarm in attack Zorra Oct 2013 #39

I think it was more about the math... whttevrr Oct 2013 #43

I'm not sure they 'hate' the left. It's probably fear leftstreet Oct 2013 #47

and then there is the opposite case Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #54

There's an obvious difference between actual criticism from the left and trolling Hippo_Tron Oct 2013 #69

This post nails it. Broward Oct 2013 #95

No... it was the math. whttevrr Oct 2013 #111

Um, there are swarms here who think Obama is the left? truebluegreen Oct 2013 #108

Or could it have been that the poster's friend made 180000 per year, and was having Squinch Oct 2013 #119

Somebody needs a hug.... c'mere you Ellipsis Oct 2013 #46

Right or wrong, Le Taz Hot Oct 2013 #50

Boy, that's the truth!! CountAllVotes Oct 2013 #61

You are posting stuff which flies in the face of truth. I can't get any subsidy under the ACA bluestate10 Oct 2013 #57

Absolutely, I expected same as you... ellenrr Oct 2013 #58

Buh bye.... Rowdyboy Oct 2013 #72

I think you need more information about your friend before you decide that they are being screwed... luvspeas Oct 2013 #74

And as was pointed out repeatedly intaglio Oct 2013 #79

That's nice. The Midway Rebel Oct 2013 #86

What's your point? Why are you starting a new thread All About You? MADem Oct 2013 #98

send your friend here before you go. Or tell him to go to heathcare.gov or call them. Sunlei Oct 2013 #107

I guess the friend makes 180k a year, but doesn't have a PC or internet. Rex Oct 2013 #115

Hmm looking at your other post, you have a friend making 94k a year Katashi_itto Oct 2013 #116

People are complaining about their rates going up, but then we see they're getting gollygee Oct 2013 #127

90k is wealthy? questionseverything Oct 2013 #180

Well gollygee Oct 2013 #185

Don't go away mad. displacedtexan Oct 2013 #132

Liberal? Progressive? Yeah, right. Most of them aren't much to the left of William F Buckley. TheKentuckian Oct 2013 #138

welcome to DU TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #141

I dunno...Freeperville is more obnoxious CJCRANE Oct 2013 #147

Kinda a strange thing to say...I agree I would think Rex Oct 2013 #157

not to their fellow members TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #160

That seems worse to me... CJCRANE Oct 2013 #192

I love robust debate, but stupidity, and trolls... not so much. ellenrr Oct 2013 #196

"rough debate"? TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #198

I never make personal swipes at other DUers. CJCRANE Oct 2013 #199

baloney TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #201

Your posts represent the very thing you rail against. CJCRANE Oct 2013 #203

+ ellenrr Oct 2013 #193

there are a few here who really dislike having their world view disrupted DrDan Oct 2013 #144

"Ignore" is your friend 1000words Oct 2013 #149

waahhh CBGLuthier Oct 2013 #152

I live in a high income state. The information I will post doesn't apply to me. I purposely bluestate10 Oct 2013 #156

My sister Pam died because she didn't have health insurance melody Oct 2013 #165

^This! The Midway Rebel Oct 2013 #170

Thanks for the perspective and sorry about your sister and friend. grantcart Oct 2013 #209

What's this? A callout thread? Roland99 Oct 2013 #166

OOO Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #167

don't let the door hitya on the way out Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #168

Your post was terrible Motown_Johnny Oct 2013 #171

Funny, I've been here since 2004 and to the best of my recollection... WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2013 #184

The site reflects LWolf Oct 2013 #190

Welcome to the internet. n/t eShirl Oct 2013 #195

Why don't you tell us Caretha Oct 2013 #197

META!!! Iggo Oct 2013 #202

I have been treated less than kindly by some here too. Yet I stuck it out. There are some that appleannie1 Oct 2013 #204

Then u haven't been on long enough OR u r glowing Oct 2013 #205

Hard to have compassion for.. Notafraidtoo Oct 2013 #208

Do you have proof that their rates are going up? seattle15 Oct 2013 #210