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beachbum bob

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1. totally agree

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Sat Oct 12, 2013, 02:01 PM

Oct 2013

We are in our fight with those who seek to destroy democracy

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There must be no reward for extortion. I'd let the country default if the GOP won't give in. [View all] backscatter712 Oct 2013 OP

totally agree beachbum bob Oct 2013 #1

I don't think it will come to that. The Koch Bros rely on Wall Street for their exuberant wealth, BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #2

If Only allinthegame Oct 2013 #64

+1000 Rebellious Republican Oct 2013 #71

Koch Industries is privately held ... GeorgeGist Oct 2013 #75

True. But what of Koch Industries' subsidiaries? BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #86

I wonder if there is some sort of law or special ops force Turbineguy Oct 2013 #3

In kidnapping, if police feel kidnapper will harm a child, they'll say pay him--then we'll get'em hooverville29 Oct 2013 #4

If the Dems cave, they lose all their leverage. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #5

Sure we can get'em. They call it an election like in 2014. Be careful about who's on the hate list hooverville29 Oct 2013 #9

If Obama caves, we'll lose the 2014 election. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #11

The "bitchslap," as you put it, will come for *everybody* those hurt feel are responible. hooverville29 Oct 2013 #33

If the government defaults, the GOP gets blamed. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #36

The polls seem to indicate that those hurt are fully aware of who is to blame for this Squinch Oct 2013 #46

That's before the SS, Student, Ag support, etc., checks stop coming. You and I both know when hooverville29 Oct 2013 #50

I seriously doubt that. If we know who is responsible, we know who is responsible. Squinch Oct 2013 #52

+1, we all know who is responsible. LiberalLoner Oct 2013 #76

Almost seems like some here want us to believe we don't know what we know, doesn't it? Squinch Oct 2013 #77

Republicans are, in a way, droning fellow citizens. When they cut off people's access Squinch Oct 2013 #44

First, this isn't a child. Second, it's true that police don't volunteer the child's Squinch Oct 2013 #40

But in this case, the kidnapper isn't willing to release the hostage starroute Oct 2013 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author hooverville29 Oct 2013 #6

"I'm willing to live with the casualties." R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #7

There is no victory without risk. n/t backscatter712 Oct 2013 #8

Nice to offer your fellow citizens up for risk. hooverville29 Oct 2013 #10

I'm sorry, I can't hear your over my refusal to give a fuck. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #13

And that attitude is *exactly* what could snatch defeat from the jaws of victory -- hooverville29 Oct 2013 #27

so my husband, federal pensioner, annabanana Oct 2013 #32

And just what will YOU be giving up? Sheldon Cooper Oct 2013 #12

Plenty - I'm subsisting on student loans, which I'd probably lose. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #14

You'd 'probably' lose? Sheldon Cooper Oct 2013 #15

So you'd rather chicken out? backscatter712 Oct 2013 #17

Nice deflection. You won't answer my question, will you? Sheldon Cooper Oct 2013 #19

A matter of months. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #20

No, I am not. I have a son. We collect SS Survivors benefits... ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #22

If you're not willing to stand and fight, you're going to lose. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #23

That's a risk, as a parent responsible for someone OTHER than myself...and you, ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #25

You have the luxury of a few months. Sheldon Cooper Oct 2013 #28

Thank you Sheldon. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #29

Yep. I remember the tax cut deal a few years ago historylovr Oct 2013 #85

There are no rules or precedent for the chaos looming. His anxiety is because he just doesn't know hooverville29 Oct 2013 #31

I think you are looking at it the wrong way LostOne4Ever Oct 2013 #16

Exactly. NOT ONE INCH! backscatter712 Oct 2013 #18

^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^ Squinch Oct 2013 #48

Precisely why we find ourselves in this mess now. dgibby Oct 2013 #57

I agree Lifelong Dem Oct 2013 #21

I'm hoping for a last second EO from the prez, if it comes to that. nt Zorra Oct 2013 #24

the problem is DonCoquixote Oct 2013 #53

Probably LostOne4Ever Oct 2013 #59

It will hurt if we go into default but it will hurt more if we give in. texanwitch Oct 2013 #26

It will not hurt... It will kill. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #30

Either way the american people will be hurt. texanwitch Oct 2013 #34

I was clarifying. Hurt/pain is too light of a word. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #39

Well, my house is paid for. texanwitch Oct 2013 #45

Well, I'm happy for you. It costs money to feed and clothe kids. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #47

I was making a joke about the house. texanwitch Oct 2013 #49

Agreed. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #51

That's ok. texanwitch Oct 2013 #56

And the GOP won't? backscatter712 Oct 2013 #35

You've made it clear that you're willing to sacrifice many of us on SS ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #37

Because if we cave in to extortion, we'll be just as dead. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #38

...and that's all I'm going to say about that. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #41

"I won't even speak to the few republicans I know anymore." KansDem Oct 2013 #80

Totally agree and I have a lot to lose in my retirement fund! B Calm Oct 2013 #42

Agree! n/t bobGandolf Oct 2013 #43

This is about appeasement, something Right Wingers are good at whining about Snake Plissken Oct 2013 #54

I would agree IF MyNameGoesHere Oct 2013 #55

It very well might. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #58

I hate being forced to agree with this post. Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2013 #60

Exactly. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #61

No way as I would be one of the casualties. n/t RebelOne Oct 2013 #62

Uh MFrohike Oct 2013 #63

Right wingers are counting on the Democrats giving in to their demands! B Calm Oct 2013 #66

That's right. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #68

I have to agree. AngryOldDem Oct 2013 #67

These idiots don't SEE it that way.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #69

I am the bottom rung Half-Century Man Oct 2013 #70

Then start donating to the food banks and other places that help those in serious need. 1monster Oct 2013 #72

Freedom isn't free. Flying Squirrel Oct 2013 #73

Spot on. 99Forever Oct 2013 #74

Totally Agree - We set a bad precedent in 2011 dballance Oct 2013 #78

I began Screaming at Dems fredamae Oct 2013 #79

and the average american has no idea what's coming nt maryellen99 Oct 2013 #81

Speak for yourself. 99Forever Oct 2013 #84

Wish I had a time machine AndrewRN Oct 2013 #82

EgyptAir Flight 990 gulliver Oct 2013 #83